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Tournaments that is... or so i hear... WHy would i not just start fielding Mantic game models? take a look at this and then look at the price!?

WTF GW WTF.....

http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Kings-of-War.html

lol?

Because the TO might not allow it? And there's tons of Indy tourneys still out there?

I swear, posters and their nonsense these days.

i guess more to the point is... why as gamers we allow GW to hike the prices so freaking high when there are such other quality model alternatives out there.

If the argument in the back of your mind is "I paid for it he damn sure can also" then you lose.

sirlotsofpain wrote:i guess more to the point is... why as gamers we allow GW to hike the prices so freaking high when there are such other quality model alternatives out there.

We'll have to disagree on the "quality" alternatives Mantic provides, most of their models are hideous to me.

Mantic's Undead are cool.

But I'm not making a Vampire Counts army anytime soon.

sirlotsofpain wrote:i guess more to the point is... why as gamers we allow GW to hike the prices so freaking high when there are such other quality model alternatives out there.

Old question, old answer:
GW:


Mantic


This is of course a drastic example, the Mantic Undead are not that bad, but generally, many people find Mantic's models inferior in design.

More important: GW models are available everywehere, the other ranges not so much. And the ones with equal quality are not cheaper (and usually metal).

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/383318-Mantic%20dragon%20slayer.html

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/383317-GW%20dragon%20slayer.html




Its not that bad lol

Like Kroothawk said, the example he provided is pretty extreme. There are some models, the Undead in particular, that are nearly on-par with GW's design. Most, however, are inferior, perhaps not as much as Kroothawk's example, but inferior nonetheless.

All of the recent GW VC scuplts are beautiful. I've happily purchased all of them. When it comes to their older stuff though, I'll go to another manufacturer without hesitation for certain models. GW skeletons are fine, and I kind of like the Ghouls, but their bats and spirits are horrible so I use Reaper models instead.

In the end, the only thing that should force you to use an official GW model over an alternative is your ability to find an opponent. If the local events require GW, then you should probably consider buying GW. My local scene is 90% independent, so its not a problem here.

I haven't worried about having non-GW models in my armies in a long, long time. I have converted Scibor pieces in my Space Marine army and all sorts of stuff, like historical models and AoW characters in my Empire army. Oh no, I can't go to one of the 'official' GW events with my army, that's okay I can still do two or three major Grand Tournaments a year.

sirlotsofpain wrote:i guess more to the point is... why as gamers we allow GW to hike the prices so freaking high when there are such other quality model alternatives out there.

If the argument in the back of your mind is "I paid for it he damn sure can also" then you lose.

The question in my mind is why are you bothered what other people pay?

If you can't afford GW models that is your business, if other people can then that is there's.

It depends on your area... the LGS by me has alot of Fantasy. The store manager fully admits that 40K is more popular in most areas but he tries to cultivate a WHF tournament scene as much as possible.

@OP

What is the title of this thread actually about? You hear that GW is no longer supported Warhammer fantasy tournaments, is that it? Where did you hear that?

Yeah, I don't see what the point of this thread really is. The title right now is misleading.

Seems to me like you're just putting a provocative title and then going "look how much better Mantic stuff is!"

liquidjoshi wrote:I don't see what the point of this thread really is. The title right now is misleading.

What he said.

Quality aside, look at it like this. I'm currently starting a Dark Elf army, I can get 16 warriors from GW for £20, they can be either crossbowmen or spearmen. Lets say I buy 2 packs for £40 and make 12 crossbows and 20 Spearmen.

The Mantic equivalent (Twilight Kin) are £17.99 for 10 Spearmen, the same for 10 crossbowmen. For the same units above I'd need to buy two packs of spearmen, and two packs of crossbowmen, total cost of £71.96.

So GW is actually far cheaper than Mantic for building an army for me. I'm not some crazy GW apologist, I think some things they sell are obscenely priced, Ungor for example.

Point is, this thread is based on a statement you haven't thought through at all.

As an owner of about forty Mantic undead, I must say that they do not rival GW for quality and are best used as unit fillers... the models come as single-casts, have very little in the way of options and are repetitively posed. The detail is woefully lacking too. Perhaps the worst crime is the fact that for some reason the darn skellies have eyes.

HERE is where you go for cheap Fantasy models.. though I should stress that they aren't heroic scale and thus do clash with GW stuff.
http://wargamesfactory.com/Home.htm

The skellies look fine though, I have a bunch of these. £12 for 30? Beats Mantic. Just as detailed as GW. Only fault is that they come in so many darn bits; even the feet are separate!
http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/myths-and-legends/wgf-ml002

Yeah, it is a fact that GW's models are a very good price for the quality. Most other model companies charge higher prices for similer quality.

What *is* the problem is that GW charges uniform prices across their entire range... meaning that you'll pay roughly equal prices for units from the same force organisation slots. Now some kits can be very hefty and almost 'worth' it, but when I think that my schmexy VC Skeleton Warriors (a very nice kit) are the same price as a box of Empire State Troops (a horrid kit of lots of single-posed bodies with less customisation), or, even worse, Bretonnian Men at Arms... I wonder why I am charged the same price.

I think GW would be easier to defend if they based their prices on kit complexity rather than points value/organisation slot, but I suppose they may get around to modernising their ranges eventually.

sirlotsofpain wrote:If the argument in the back of your mind is "I paid for it he damn sure can also" then you lose.

QFT. This is also why I suspect there's so much hate for proxy/paper models, even ones that are well done and visually appealing (Especially compared to the infamous Grey Plastic marine chapters...)

I've yet to see a paper model that doesn't look like paper and rubbishy. I'd be happy to see one that looks as nice as a model, but since the game is about the visual for me, I'm going to make a fuss if I'm fighting coke cans and drawings.

htj wrote:I've yet to see a paper model that doesn't look like paper and rubbishy. I'd be happy to see one that looks as nice as a model, but since the game is about the visual for me, I'm going to make a fuss if I'm fighting coke cans and drawings.

(Apologies for gakky flash/pic quality)

Not saying every proxy/paper army looks decent, but I personally prefer the color of a paper model (Even if it's 2d) over a grey blob of plastic models.

If you not happy with GWs prices then there is always eBay

darkPrince010 wrote:Pictures

OK, those are pretty cool. I'd rather be fighting against miniatures, because I still think painted miniatures look better than that, but I wouldn't make a fuss about playing against those guys.

@htj: And I agree, painted minis almost always > good papercraft (The exception is some holy-crap-awesome papercraft fully 3D stuff like scratchbuilt IG tanks that I've seen that look as good if not better than the originals). I generally see it as painted minis>good papercraft>unpainted minis>bad papercraft>bottle caps.

1) Title is misleading
2) OP refers to GW no longer supporting Fantasy tournaments but does not cite source or further explanation. Then promotes mantic seemingly to incite exactly what this thread is, bickering.
3) Why is this thread not closed?
4) If people want to continue discussion, this thread should be renamed something like "GW or Mantic, you decide" or a new topic should be created when this one is closed.