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Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

I would bring a "winny" list for when you need a morale boost. Other times just play for fun.
But mainly, realize it's a game, you play because you like it, and losing streaks happen.

I agree with death, when you get bored of losing take a cookie cutter list. Either that or look upon it as an intellectual challenge-ie how can I best use my codex in order to take advantage of 6th ed rules. Fluffy games might be best left to like minded friends rather than big tourneys.

I understand your frustration. I have been playing since 1989 and have always won more than I loss. Well last year we had a new guy in our group and I can not beat him, and most of the time he crushes me. Personally I don’t know what I am doing wrong, but he seems to have a counter for everything I bring. I know he is not list tailoring other than he knows I am going to play MEQs. I don’t know what I am going to do about him. The odd part is about the time if notice he is going to just win, I have a turn of frustration then I start having fun once more tying to pull myself out whatever “hole” I am in.

I suppose i could to the Mech Spam that everyone else loves.
To bad, i love my outflanking bike army.
Maybe if i get a storm talon to go with those outflanking.

Just need to not worry about whether you win or lose, but that you had fun on the way there. Sometimes you can't win, but those times you just pay attention and learn from it. Bad luck however just comes and goes and there is no real lesson to be learnt from it besides that sometimes everything just goes to gak and there's nothing to do but grin, go with it and try to pick up the pieces.

Im trying to have fun, i mean i look forward to it every week even though the following week i may have ben crushed, thinking "This is the week i win" every week even if i come home crushed.
I just wish that it wasn't to frusterating, So far it seems the only oppenents i can even attempt to destroy are DE.
I mean, my librarian dies before he even gets to use his psychi powers.

I dunno, man. Tweak your list some? Sounds like a lot of it is crappy rolls.

I can't really offer any advice, my 40K and Fantasy record is, IIRC quite a lot more losses than wins, and my Warmahordes record is abysmal. Generally as long as I make my opponent earn his victory, I'm pretty satisfied.

People might be able to help if you post your list and the general kinds of armies you usually face.

Hmmm.

If you're playing to win (or if winning means "fun" to you) try changing your list or tactics etc

If you're playing for fun theres not much more advice i can offer, if the list is no longer fun, change it.

I play fun lists. I dont care if I lose as sometimes thats not the point of the list im running. If winning ever becomes an issue for me (I get sick and tired of losing) i'll dust of a tourney list.

Maybe you could try tweaking your list as RatBot said. I mean, taking some of your favourite units but adding some that will definately get you better results.

For (extreme) example, I may like Swooping Hawks but because I lose with them, I would decide to drop them for a couple games and take my warp spiders instead, which I may like a bit less but would get me better results.

Come to my local GW. Tons of people to womp on. I use full comp lists to do it with too.

Stop CARING about the win/loss record. If you do this, then no matter how crushing the defeat, the mantra "it's only a game" puts it into perspective.

You win by playing enough games to get the experience to know what to do in order to do what you need to win. In order to do this, you are probably going to lose a lot. Fact of life. Try to at least LEARN something with every loss (even if it's only "don't do that again").

Don't play tournaments. Play with friends who share your attitude. Sure you want to win, but you also want to have fun, so people aren't just spamming net lists.

i got bored of 5th due to winning alot (not too much, but above average) with my DW, so i swiched to Orks and well... had a blast, win or lose its win with orks, if at the end of the game i dont have a massive pile of dead greenskins im not happy lol

so what im trying to say is... maybe its the army you play, losing 1 termy unit in DW is a big deal, loseing 1 ork mobs is Troll lol lol who cares i got 120 more

odd thought but.. get new dice.

I used to play with these yellow dice that i swear rolled statictically underaverage everytime.. they were just cheap chessex so I gave them to somebody and bought 2 new dice bricks and they rolled much closer to statistically average. the problem with cheap chessex dice is the bubbles in the plastic, the pips and the edges are nto perfect, the dice have wweighted sides. iI'm not sayign but 3-4 dice bins of the same type and heep the high rolling ones in one tin but if you have a brick and you track it to see its always underperforming statistical average... get a new one

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice

hotsauceman1 wrote:I suppose i could to the Mech Spam that everyone else loves.
To bad, i love my outflanking bike army.
Maybe if i get a storm talon to go with those outflanking.

I've had notable success with an all bike army, if you want any pointers, feel free to PM. I should point out 6th has changed everything for bikes, so old "winner" lists and "loser" lists may end up switching places. Give the new addition a few weeks (and try to make smart changes that will make your list effective in the new meta). Just like every other list type, bikes are starting over.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

Part 1 of your issue is that your Codex is outdated (in 5th) and showing it's age, It's sort of the nature of the beast. But SMs never really stay outdated long. What you need to do is find your footing and what works for you. If all you ever play is scheduled league games you probably aren't doing your ego any favors. It's good to enter a FLGS tourney for $5-10 every couple months. It gives you a better idea where you stand outside of the league. I played a lot in the Barracks when I got back into the game in 4E, I felt like I couldn't win a game at all. Played in a tourney at the FLGS and placed 3rd. the 2 dude from the Bs I was playing with came in 1 and 2. Just an example.
Back to making a list for you, I've seen a few army lists come up from you in that section, so you are trying. Just keep at it.

Frankly, if you want to win with anything other than Grey Knights or Space Wolves - and winning should be one of the objectives of playing any game - you're going to have to field one of those tedious competitive netlists.

Warhammer 40,000 is simply a laughably poorly-balanced game; unless you're picking from an underpriced/overpowered army list, you've little choice other than to cheesily spam the most competitive choices available to you.

English Assassin wrote:
Warhammer 40,000 is simply a laughably poorly-balanced game; unless you're picking from an underpriced/overpowered army list, you've little choice other than to cheesily spam the most competitive choices available to you.

That is catagorically untrue.
There are people here who've been wildly successful with Eldar (mech and foot), vanilla marines, orks (mech and horde), imperial guard footlists, chaos deamons, chaos marines (of all flavours), Dark Angels (Ravenwing and Deathwing), etc.
Play what you like, and play it well. Give us a typical list, as well as a typical opponent, and we will help as best we can, even though with the new rules it's hard to know what's effective atm.

AustonT wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

Part 1 of your issue is that your Codex is outdated (in 5th) and showing it's age, It's sort of the nature of the beast. But SMs never really stay outdated long. What you need to do is find your footing and what works for you. If all you ever play is scheduled league games you probably aren't doing your ego any favors. It's good to enter a FLGS tourney for $5-10 every couple months. It gives you a better idea where you stand outside of the league. I played a lot in the Barracks when I got back into the game in 4E, I felt like I couldn't win a game at all. Played in a tourney at the FLGS and placed 3rd. the 2 dude from the Bs I was playing with came in 1 and 2. Just an example.
Back to making a list for you, I've seen a few army lists come up from you in that section, so you are trying. Just keep at it.

The league and tournament at my only FLGS(until i get my license) is the same people.


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And this was my list for last night.
My biggest problem was my scouts, im not sure about it now becauses its even more flimsy. And my outflanking melta squad died fast, as did my plas squad from its own overwatch(stupid gets hot)

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

You've been playing for 3 months...cut yourself some slack. Some of us have been playing this game in one form or another for over 20 years. You'll get the hang of it. The key is to not worry about winning or losing and just play and have fun with your opponent. With the right attitude you will have fun no matter what. Any game that involves dice involves good and bad dice rolling. Of course if everyone else is bringing competition level armies to your store environment, as a newer player you might want to consider doing so too. Playing a "for fun" army against a competition army as a newb is not always a fun experience.

Biggest thing: Relax, have fun and just try to enjoy yourself. Winning is great, but if you focus solely on that, anything else will just suck. That is why I play to win, but focus on having a fun game more than anything else, because I know I played hard, but if I lose I still had fun at the table. Give yourself some time, relax and you'll eventually get some wins under your belt.

Skriker

hotsauceman1 wrote:

AustonT wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

Part 1 of your issue is that your Codex is outdated (in 5th) and showing it's age, It's sort of the nature of the beast. But SMs never really stay outdated long. What you need to do is find your footing and what works for you. If all you ever play is scheduled league games you probably aren't doing your ego any favors. It's good to enter a FLGS tourney for $5-10 every couple months. It gives you a better idea where you stand outside of the league. I played a lot in the Barracks when I got back into the game in 4E, I felt like I couldn't win a game at all. Played in a tourney at the FLGS and placed 3rd. the 2 dude from the Bs I was playing with came in 1 and 2. Just an example.
Back to making a list for you, I've seen a few army lists come up from you in that section, so you are trying. Just keep at it.

The league and tournament at my only FLGS(until i get my license) is the same people.


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And this was my list for last night.
My biggest problem was my scouts, im not sure about it now becauses its even more flimsy. And my outflanking melta squad died fast, as did my plas squad from its own overwatch(stupid gets hot)

Spoiler:

Khan=205
Moondrakken

Librarian=185
Bike
Mastery lvl 2
Dicispline-telepathy.

Troops

Biker=170
+2 more=
2x plasma
Attack bike with melta

Biker=180
+2 more
2x melta
Attack bike with melta

Tactical squad
Tact +5=185
Plasma gun
Plasma Cannon

Rhino=35

Scouts=75
3x shotguns
Combat blade on sgt
Fast attack

Landspeeder with 2 meltas=80

Landspeeder storm=50

Assault squad=130
PW
Plasma pistol
Heavy support
Vindicator w/ siege sheild=125

TBH, your list seems pretty good though when I take khan he's with a tooled up command squad (4 lightening claws, 4 storm shields and 2 meltas) and it rips through most things. LS typhoones are better choices than normal speeders as they give you plenty of fire support. vindis are always good as well so no problems there. for my bike squads I like to take meltas but ymmv. also unless it's a ten man assault squad It's a slight waste of points.

Look at every loss as an opportunity to better yourself in the game. Look at what happened and what decisions you made that got you in that situation, and what you could have done differently. Look as every unit and ask yourself what their performance was, and whether or not they were pulling their weight.

Then get excited to play another game where you can prove to yourself that you learned your lessons from the last game. Repeat this forever.

Finally, always ensure you're still having a blast, laughing and socializing with your friends in the casual games, and being a good gamer in the more serious matches. Always shake hands, never get sad and depressed if you're being crushed, and never gloat if you're winning. A winning attitude will go a long way to your confidence in making the right decisions and throwing off your opponent.

And don't forget to play that game where your entire list consists of the dregs of your codex, like taking a Tau list filled with ethereals, FW, Vespids and sniper teams.

English Assassin wrote:Frankly, if you want to win with anything other than Grey Knights or Space Wolves - and winning should be one of the objectives of playing any game - you're going to have to field one of those tedious competitive netlists.

Warhammer 40,000 is simply a laughably poorly-balanced game; unless you're picking from an underpriced/overpowered army list, you've little choice other than to cheesily spam the most competitive choices available to you.

Hardly....I play Chaos marines almost exclusively these days and I have no problems beating those underpriced/overpowered armies on a regular basis. The key is knowing your units, knowing how to use them AND using the effectively in games. Don't let the enemy units do the jobs they were assigned to do. Gun down the melee monsters and assault the shooting focused troops. Tactics and smart use of your army still account for a lot despite the poor balance and lack of any real point cost comparity across numerous books.

The biggest key is to avoid one trick pony armies because if they are taken out of their element you are done and aren't going to succeed.

Skriker

Well i dont have the bikes to make a command squad yet(im going to get some of the raven wing some for the new boxset and give them all power lances maybe)
But i can find a wway to tweak it.


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But i think i need to start going n with a different mind set, maybe take a nap before i go.

Also, 6th is a whole new game for everyone. New rules will create new meta's. Take your time, learn the rules and how they work for you Army. Learn the other guys armies so you know what to expect.
As for bad dice... I had 3 TH/SS Termies (the remains after killing a Burna squad) charge into a bunch of Grots holding the objective. Grots attacked an did 5 wounds. i rolled 3 ones. Grots won the game.
Last week i charged a guard Blob squad with 5 TH/SS termies, Vulkan, and a Libby...after shooting up the squad with 2 riflemen dreds and 3 heavy flamer LandSpeeders. Guardsmen did 8 regular wounds on the termies and I rolled 5 ones. The Liby was also killed and Vulkan took a wound...then failed Ld and ran away.
That sort of stuff has been happening to me all through 5th edition. Maybe 6th will bring me good luck on the dice.

Dice happen. Laugh at it and come back next week.

hotsauceman1 wrote:

AustonT wrote:

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

Part 1 of your issue is that your Codex is outdated (in 5th) and showing it's age, It's sort of the nature of the beast. But SMs never really stay outdated long. What you need to do is find your footing and what works for you. If all you ever play is scheduled league games you probably aren't doing your ego any favors. It's good to enter a FLGS tourney for $5-10 every couple months. It gives you a better idea where you stand outside of the league. I played a lot in the Barracks when I got back into the game in 4E, I felt like I couldn't win a game at all. Played in a tourney at the FLGS and placed 3rd. the 2 dude from the Bs I was playing with came in 1 and 2. Just an example.
Back to making a list for you, I've seen a few army lists come up from you in that section, so you are trying. Just keep at it.

The league and tournament at my only FLGS(until i get my license) is the same people.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And this was my list for last night.
My biggest problem was my scouts, im not sure about it now becauses its even more flimsy. And my outflanking melta squad died fast, as did my plas squad from its own overwatch(stupid gets hot)

Spoiler:

Khan=205
Moondrakken

Librarian=185
Bike
Mastery lvl 2
Dicispline-telepathy.

Troops

Biker=170
+2 more=
2x plasma
Attack bike with melta

Biker=180
+2 more
2x melta
Attack bike with melta

Tactical squad
Tact +5=185
Plasma gun
Plasma Cannon

Rhino=35

Scouts=75
3x shotguns
Combat blade on sgt
Fast attack

Landspeeder with 2 meltas=80

Landspeeder storm=50

Assault squad=130
PW
Plasma pistol
Heavy support
Vindicator w/ siege sheild=125

It's an eclectic mix but it looks solid. I'd personally be a little wary of running a vindi with a bike force, because it's slow and short ranged. But C:BA has also spoiled me.
What you also have is a relatively small army (Space Marines) tooled even smaller on bikes for a small jump in base toughness and mobility. And an awful lot of melta, which isn't a bad thing, it's just a thing. If you are going to stick to bikes I heartily advise talking to someone that uses them frequently, I saw an offer up thread. I'd probably ditch the Tacticals for another bike squad at 220 points with Rhino they are coming in a bit heavy to contribute a PG and PC in an army they frankly don't fit in. As an aside I'd like to see a DA only PC attack bike. Another bike squad comes in a shade cheaper and fits the overall theme, maybe even run it without the atk bike and more bodies( I personally would run the AB with a HB instead) It's up to you SM bikes are pricey at best so I understand if you are working with the models you have.
If you are limited by your mobility then I guess you'll have to wait until other FLGS are available to you. The fact that your league IS your FLGS probably says something about the number of players in your area anyway though, in which case the answer is "get better" which is a gakky answer...but there it is.

h that is the unmodified list, i put a dread with a drop pod in there in liu of the tact.
But like i said, i have no more bikes, just those two.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Rant Incoming
So, i have been playing 40k regulry for about 3 months, and i know right now i shouldnt be expecting to win at adepticon,
But everygame i have played has so far been crushing for me, except for one or 2, but i still loose or tie.
And i feel as if im started to become jaded towards this, IDK if this is because im young and my generation thinks we should win at everything(despite i never got that type of "participation trophy" that many think to seems exist)
I mean, my own squad was reduced to half strengh from wwhen it overwatched because it rolled ones on gets hot
Tonight was even more harsh, all my troops died really fast, leaving the game a forfeit because nothing could capture objectives.
and in my second game my guys died even faster, but i had to leav because of time constraints.
Im just worried that me loosing is making me kinda rude even if i dont mean it, I complain about how im tired of loosing and my nicely paints loving army dieing faster then a slug on fire.
I try to come up with unique lists to make it fun so i avoid bringing mech spam like everyone else does there.
Anyone got some advice on how to deal with this?

I know a lot of people have said this already, but it bears repeating. I lost A LOT when I started playing this game. The only way to learn is to play and play and play. If that means losing a lot, so be it.

I have coached (usually as an assistant) various high school teams across 10 years of teaching. I've had teams make a run at State Championships (even won 1) and I've had teams that went .100. The key to rallying around a loss it to set attainable and significant goals within the game.

For example, with one particularly lacking football team, we approached every game trying to win each quarter. So if we were getting killed 21-0 after the first quarter, we tried to win the second quarter. So if the half time score was 28-14,y guys went into the locker room pleased and proud, ready to come out and win the 3rd. What we didn't do, is set silly goals that meant nothing to the other team (like "let's stop all run plays").

Translating this to 40k, try to win each turn. Don't set goals like "destroy all vehicles" or "remove all scoring units" (in a Kill Point Game). Just like that football team, once you learn to win parts of a game, it won't take long for you to win the entire game.

Last thing, this can be a little humbling, but I'd always ask an opponent 2 questions:

"How would you have ran my list differently?"
"If you would change 2 units in my list, what would you have changed?"

You'll get some TFGs, but all and all it should help too.