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I was really hoping for the death of the emperor. Not because I side with Chaos but because I am ready for some progression in the story. Which of course will never happen because "BLA BLA BLA 40k IS A SETTING BLA BLA PREACH PREACH NOT A STORY" Whatever. There is so much potential. I have been reading a lot of HH Books and i'm ready to see Horus die and the emperor put on the golden throne, and i KNOW its possible for the emperor to reborn because thousands of shamans died to create the emperor. There is no way when he dies his soul will get killed by the warp if hes that powerful. Bla. I guess i'm just mad at GW.

This is why God made fanfiction:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page

Well they do make a reference to the Emperor's golden throne having issues with the life support systems in the BRB. its toward the end of the book i think... i can get the exact page number tonight. But it stated that they are unabel to make repairs. So it basically failing, and him with it.

Brother Thomas wrote:I was really hoping for the death of the emperor.

You know H.....y

Brother Thomas wrote:Not because I side with Chaos but because I am ready for some progression in the story.

Extra H...y!

Brother Thomas wrote:Which of course will never happen because "BLA BLA BLA 40k IS A SETTING BLA BLA PREACH PREACH NOT A STORY" Whatever.

And if it is a setting..
Stories are provided in campaigns and battles.
No reason to have a story of 40.000 years, or worse start it with the birth of the C'tan..aeons ago..

Brother Thomas wrote:There is so much potential.

Agreed, potential. But remember the ones who may write it. To have potential and to use it isn't the same and the quality from GW has a lot of ups and downs.

Brother Thomas wrote: I guess i'm just mad at GW.

But why?

J99Pwrangler wrote:Well they do make a reference to the Emperor's golden throne having issues with the life support systems in the BRB. its toward the end of the book i think... i can get the exact page number tonight. But it stated that they are unabel to make repairs. So it basically failing, and him with it.

It meantioned it in the time line in 5th edition as well.

I want him dead too. its not like it can cause a big problem with the game.
Oh look, the emporers back, as are the primarchs. Looks like we are going on a crusade for mankind, hurrah for 10,000 more years of fighting

Brother Thomas wrote:There is so much potential.

Exactly!

This is EXACTLY why it should NEVER progress! At the moment there is so much potential, we've been brought right to the brink, and everything is so close that even the smallest nudge could change the fate of the Imperium. It lets players fit their own stories into the setting, and give those stories as much 'weight' as they want.

As soon as you progress the setting past this point, all that wonderful potential is gone. The tension is released, and we're left with... nothing.

Do not want.

hotsauceman1 wrote:I want him dead too. its not like it can cause a big problem with the game.
Oh look, the emporers back, as are the primarchs. Looks like we are going on a crusade for mankind, hurrah for 10,000 more years of fighting

You seem to be forgetting the daemon hordes that will engulf the earth if the Emperor were to stop holding them back, or that there's no guarantee that the Emperor will actually be reborn or that the primarchs will return. It's just as likely that the Emperor dies, the astronomicon goes out and the Imperium is screwed even faster.

Emperor will never die. Golden Throne will never fail. 6th Edition didnt move the storyline forward int he least. GW is just making a setting for the games/BL to do their thing in indefinetly.

In not changing the progress of the story GW can keep cashing in on the same crap, because we'll keep buying it. Its the safe thing to do, because they can keep making money without changing anything, Eventually, MAYBE they'll do something, but probably not until forced...

I think its a cowardly move They could do LITERALLY anything they wanted, he could die an come back as a daemon and then khorne could be a good guy who fought for the tau. GW can literally do whatever they want, but they wont bother until they're forced.

That wouldn't really work because if the Emperor died, the Imperium would die out, as there would be no Astronomican.

AtariAssasin wrote:In not changing the progress of the story GW can keep cashing in on the same crap, because we'll keep buying it. Its the safe thing to do, because they can keep making money without changing anything, Eventually, MAYBE they'll do something, but probably not until forced...

I think its a cowardly move They could do LITERALLY anything they wanted, he could die an come back as a daemon and then khorne could be a good guy who fought for the tau. GW can literally do whatever they want, but they wont bother until they're forced.

I can't think of a reason they'd ever be forced to change anything. It's been going strong for 25 years with no end in sight.

HAHAHAHA.
Oh my god. I almost cried reading this.
Fluff progression? What game have you been playing?
The theme is grim/dark. Progress isn't part of that.
The aesthetic is Gothic. Stagnation is part of that.
Get over it.

DOOMBREAD wrote:That wouldn't really work because if the Emperor died, the Imperium would die out, as there would be no Astronomican.

The imperium as we know it would die.
The Imperium would fracture but the Primarchs would return and bring humanity together.
DLS is a great writer but he doesn't count for a fact the space battles. Which is why i like 40k. Space Battles are awesome!
The always talk about the ground battle never the space battle hence why i played battle fleet gothic.
GW should talk about the space battles in more detail.
The Emperor should die but in fanfiction.

DOOMBREAD wrote:That wouldn't really work because if the Emperor died, the Imperium would die out, as there would be no Astronomican.

The Astronomican isn't powered by the Emperor. its powered by thousands of psykers. They Emperor simply helps it a little.

What the Emperor is doing is keeping Chaos from coming into the material realm as easily. There is nothing to suggest he couldn't keep doing it if his body died.

Grey Templar wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:That wouldn't really work because if the Emperor died, the Imperium would die out, as there would be no Astronomican.

The Astronomican isn't powered by the Emperor. its powered by thousands of psykers. They Emperor simply helps it a little.

What the Emperor is doing is keeping Chaos from coming into the material realm as easily. There is nothing to suggest he couldn't keep doing it if his body died.

Those thousands of psykers power the Emperor who powers the Astronomicon.

I am prescribing this youtube video ( from Dylan Moran's 'Monster' show, you should really go get out the whole thing, he's great) for everyone in this thread. From the 30 second mark. It explains why what GW did is a good thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU8C88UczmU

Also, what Kaldor said is another good reason.

Manchu wrote:This is why God made fanfiction:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/The_Death_of_The_Emperor_-_A_Continuation_of_the_40K_Universe_by_Dark_Lord_Seanron

Full Article, it's definitely worth a read.

GW is never going to move the story line forward, least not till (IMO) 40k stops generating gobs of money and needs a boost

GW will however continue to go backwards in the story line via forgeworld

The story line will not move, for the very reason that the galaxy is stood on the edge. Every race (appart from possibly DE and Orks) are on the brink of something huge one way or another. To tip it over would be to finish the story.

Yes, nothing moves forward is true, but to say they keep publishing the same thing? Anyone who says that clearly has not played that long. The expansion and changes and adding of detail since RT is massive. Get yourself a copy of the RT book and you will see how things have changed.

That is an excellent point. Really, really well said.

Kaldor wrote:

Brother Thomas wrote:There is so much potential.

Exactly!

This is EXACTLY why it should NEVER progress! At the moment there is so much potential, we've been brought right to the brink, and everything is so close that even the smallest nudge could change the fate of the Imperium. It lets players fit their own stories into the setting, and give those stories as much 'weight' as they want.

As soon as you progress the setting past this point, all that wonderful potential is gone. The tension is released, and we're left with... nothing.

Do not want.

By that logic, George Martin should never have progressed Game of Thrones past the huge war for Westeros, instead leaving it as a war-torn continent forever while extrapolating on the history and pre-history of Westeros, Esos, and perhaps Southeros.

Do not want.

Honestly, I think the biggest problem with moving the setting forward is that it gives the Imperium a glimmer of hope. If the Emperor dies and is reborn as a warp entity/god, the Imperium is set. The only problem is, there's always been hope of some sort in everything GW has produced. If they really wanted to make a permanently grimdark setting, they should move the setting forward with the Emperor dying and nothing happening. The Primarchs don't return, the Empror isn't reborn as anything, Chaos runs rampant, the Dark Eldar double their raids and vastly increase the slaughter of everything in an attempt to diminish the power of Chaos, Eldar faff around more, Orks v. Tyranid conflicts (re: Octavian sector) spread, engulfing other systems and species, esp. human systems, etc. Really, there are so many places GW could take this while maintaining grimdarkness it makes me wonder what they're waiting for.

That analogy is wrong McNinja, a strawman, as 40k is, as mentioned several times above, a setting. And a setting where you are expected to really emphasize and root for your army to win.

By doing what you said, suddenly most of the people's battles seem to lose a lot of importance. It was all pointless anyway, protecting the emperor was just busywork.

Really, the only way to progress the setting would be to postpone the emperor's death for a little bit somehow, while making everything even more dire, like Tyranid main force arriving, more Necrons waking etc.

Honestly, I think the direction they SHOULD go for is to allow some sort of combination of RPG storytelling with the battles. A more formalized system of overall storytelling in conjunction with games. This would sell a lot as an expansion. Put in a galaxy map and a system of progression, possibly even possible story arcs that a Campaign Master of some sort can run. Sell them as a storytelling aid, much like many RPG systems like D&D, Call of Cthuhlu etc have done in the past. Idially, try to include Battlefleet Gothic, or other specialist games in it.

This would emphasize the idea that players can make their own conclusion to the story.

At the end of the day it is irreverent as the nids will eat everything anyway

Or find that trillions upon trillions of Tyranids suddenly pop out of existence because Orikan the Diviner hopped back in time a few million years to the Tyranids main fleet five galaxies ago and delivered unto them a crushing defeat by seeding all the stars and planets out there with industrial-strength Raid.

Manchu wrote:This is why God made fanfiction:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page

Manchu, I forgot all about that thread.

I think I'll filter it by Seanron's posts and see y'all in a few days when I'm done.

Brother Thomas wrote: I have been reading a lot of HH Books

Well there's your problem, the HH is an actual storyline, GW will continue to frustrate if you expect them to transform the setting for their game. In summary, expect nothing and you'll be pleasantly surprised when nothing changes.

Just Dave wrote:I think I'll filter it by Seanron's posts and see y'all in a few days when I'm done.

Medium of Death wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/The_Death_of_The_Emperor_-_A_Continuation_of_the_40K_Universe_by_Dark_Lord_Seanron

Full Article, it's definitely worth a read.

One of the Ciaphas Cain novels makes references to this actually. ....But...its in no way a plot progression. It goes along the lines of saying the old millenium passed in to the new one (the 41st being called the Old Millenium specifically because people felt that it was going on for ever....writer has a sense of humour) without anything much happening to effect the scale of things. He says something about there being so much hype, but humanity let out its collective breath when things just went on as they were. Sure Cain only knows so much, but I'd think that something like the god Emperor coming back would be a poorly held secret (though then again, maybe he's been capable for a while now and the High Lords have kept him in his current state =/)/

Oh, and though it may be redundant, the Inquisitor War novels does have a cameo from the Emperor. He apparently speaks to people of significance indirectly, stopping time in place for a moment. He mentions that he's very tired and the galaxy's problems are building up on his collective conscience (whether he has a load voices in his head because he's gone mad, or because in the old fluff he had a soul made up of dozens of people). He's trying to save the galaxy all at once, and he just can't intervene anymore. =/ Really hits home the point that even if the Golden Throne could do its job the guy's will's failing, which was the thing keeping his spirit in play in the first place. I suspect that the Horus Heresy novel relating to the final battle will presumably refer to the Emperor's fate in some amount of detail, or one of the other novels. ....Old Ollanius Pious probably'll have a cameo (...seeing as they may have known each other back in ancient times).

In short, GW may give the Black Library the leway to at least give some more solid info on the guy's fate. They've been allowed to do it with some other taboo canon pieces thus far at least.

Have you guys forgotten about the 13th black crusade... its ongoing, it hasn't ended... they need to finish that.... kinda a big thing eh. Maybe make it into a 5 books series or something, some progression ?

The Horus heresy books are going to go all the way to 40k, after that it'll keep going.. expect another 100 novels of HH until they catch up..it will be called the HH after Horus is slain, and after ultrasmurf gets his neck slit, and the primarchs jump into the warp, angron has his huge tantrum and goes to Armageddon, that will all be part of HH