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Its Friday, and I'm bored, plus this conversation is interesting.

To get the ball rolling, let's talk cost.

HIDALGO, Texas - Perched 20 feet above a south Texas cabbage field in a telephone booth-sized capsule, a National Guardsman passes a moonlit Sunday night with a gun strapped to his hip, peering through heat detector lenses into an adjacent orange grove.

Deployment of 1,200 National Guard soldiers for one year: $110 million.

This same night, farther west on the border, a haunting whistle blasts through the predawn quiet as a mile-long train groans to a heavy stop halfway across a Rio Grande River bridge. In a ritual performed nightly, a Customs and Border Protection agent unlocks a gate, a railroad policeman slides the heavy doors open, and they both wave flashlight beams under, over and in between the loads of cars, electronics and produce, before they pass through an X-ray machine searching for hidden people or drugs.


One rail cargo x-ray screening machine: $1.75 million.

On this night in southern Arizona, a screener examining tractor-trailer loads of charcoal spots something odd and asks for a closer look. Drug sniffing dogs bark. He finds 8,000 pounds of baled marijuana in several trucks.

Customs and Border Protection officer average annual salary: $75,000. Drug-sniffing dog: $4,500.

As Congress debates border funding and as governors demand more assistance, The Associated Press has investigated what taxpayers spend securing the U.S.-Mexico border.

The price tag, until now, has not been public. But AP, using White House budgets, reports obtained through Freedom of Information Act requests and congressional transcripts, tallied it all up: $90 billion in 10 years.

For taxpayers footing this bill, the returns have been mixed: fewer illegal immigrants but little impact on the terrorism issue, and certainly no stoppage of the drug supply.

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The Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists didn't come from Mexico, but the attacks led politicians to re-examine border security. Ten days later, President George W. Bush announced a new Department of Homeland Security, with tasks including the security of the nation's porous southern border.

Over the next 10 years, annual border spending tripled as the U.S. built an unprecedented network along the 1,900-mile border with Mexico: 165 truck and train X-ray machines; 650 miles of heavy duty fencing and sheer concrete walls; twice as many law enforcement officers along the entire stretch, and a small fleet of Predator drones. Also, remote surveillance cameras, thermal imaging devices and partially buried ground sensors that sound an alarm back at headquarters if someone steps on one in the desert.

"Our obligation to secure our borders involves a responsibility to do so in the most cost effective way possible, and we recognize that there is no one size fits all' solution to meet our border security needs," said Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler.

Over the years, the goals of the border security measures have shifted.

Early concerns that terrorists could sneak weapons into the U.S. from Mexico were later overshadowed by worries about violent drug cartels slaughtering people across the Rio Grande. As the U.S. economy faltered, preventing illegal immigrants from sneaking north for jobs became the focus.

"Border security is no longer just about responding to 9/11. It became very much a part of the immigration debate," said Jena Baker McNeill, homeland security policy analyst at The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank based in Washington, D.C.

Indeed, stopping immigrants at the border has become a bargaining tool for the last two administrations with Congress - fences and guards in exchange for reforming immigration laws, she said.

The buildup has dramatically reduced illegal immigration. Ten years ago, border agents caught 1.6 million illegal immigrants in one year. Last year they caught just 463,000. The drop is attributed in part to the U.S. recession which decreased jobs here, but it's also an indication, according to federal officials, that fewer people are attempting to illegally cross the border.

But the spending has not worked to stop the flow of illegal drugs. Last year, border guards seized a record 254,000 pounds of cocaine, 3.6 million pounds of marijuana, and 4,200 pounds of heroin. In response, Mexico's cartel bosses simply sent more: trainloads of marijuana, cocaine stuffed in fenders and dashboards, heroin packed into young men's shoes.

An estimated 660,000 pounds of cocaine, 44,000 pounds of heroin and 220,000 pounds of methamphetamine are on American streets in a given year, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy. A fraction of that amount is seized at the border, a small operating cost for Mexico's drug lords, who will reap an estimated $25 billion this year from their U.S. sales.

Last month, a Justice Department study reviewing the total cost of illicit drug use in the U.S., using cost-of-illness studies, federal crime and caseload statistics, and economic models, came up with a figure of $193 billion per year.

"You can't ever seal the border. You can never stop anything 100 percent. As long as there's a market, as long as there's a profit, there will always be someone taking a chance on getting that product through," says Democratic U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes of Texas, a former Border Patrol director.

Despite the surge of violence just a stone's throw away - the death toll in Mexico's crackdown on cartels is more than 35,000 - the Obama administration reports communities on the U.S. side of the border enjoy relative peace. Nor have terrorists typically crossed the border to enter the U.S., officials note.

Still, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, warns against complacency.

"There is a disagreement about the definition of spillover violence and the extent of such violence, but there should be no disagreement about the threat we face and what will happen if this Administration continues to downplay the threat," he said. "So what should we do? For starters we should get out of our foxholes and lean forward against this growing threat. If we don't, the cartels will eventually attempt to take over our cities."

If Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano could talk to Mexico's drug cartel bosses, here's what she says she would tell them: "Don't even think about bringing your violence and tactics across this border. You will be met by an overwhelming response."

And if she could talk to would-be illegal immigrants, she'd say this: "There are more Border Patrol agents on that border than ever before. There are more customs officials. There is more technology. Do not throw in your lot with the cartels or the criminal organizations because the likelihood of getting caught, and the consequences of doing so are higher than ever before."

For 2012, the Obama administration's record high budget for border security proposes an additional $242 million to pay for high tech watch towers and movable screeners along the border, $229 million to raise border agents' pay, and $184 million to identify and deport criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails. That's on top of about $14 billion to support the ongoing infrastructure.

Over the years, budget allocations tell a story of a shifting border policy.

In 2002, as post-9/11 security checks created 4 hour waits on the border, the Bush Administration sought $380 million to construct a state-of-the-art entry and exit visa system.

In 2006, the federal government ended an immigration "catch and release" policy in which local police had been releasing illegal immigrants if they hadn't committed a local crime. Now they would be turned over to feds and face immigration charges. That year taxpayers spent $327 million for 4,000 new beds to hold the suspected illegal immigrants until they could be legally processed.

This January, the Obama administration dumped SBInet, an attempt to install a high-tech "virtual" border fence project that cost taxpayers nearly $1 billion but did little to improve security.

"From the start, SBInet's one-size-fits-all approach was unrealistic," said Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. "The department's decision to use technology based on the particular security needs of each segment of the border is a far wiser approach, and I hope it will be more cost effective."

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Are border priorities now matched by spending? The answer depends on whom you ask.

"At some point we got the misconception that border security means securing the border," said Andrew Selee, director of the Washington-based Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, a nonpartisan think tank. "It's actually about something much more comprehensive, from reducing drug use to reforming immigration laws, all the while facilitating legitimate trade. The spending needs to match the goals."

Customs and Border Patrol's main job is to protect the U.S. from terrorism. But it's the U.S-Canada frontier - which taxpayers spent $2.9 billion securing last year - that is "the more significant threat" when it comes to terrorism, CBP head Alan Bersin told senators at a recent hearing.

Bersin said this is because the Canadian government won't use the FBI's no-fly terrorist watchlist. (Canada has its own.) "We are, more than we would like, confronted with the fact where a No-Fly has entered Canada and then is arrested coming across one of our bridges into the United States," Bersin said.

Just over 6,000 people were arrested - for all reasons, not just for being on the no-fly lists - at the U.S.-Canada border last year, compared to 445,000 arrests at the Mexican border.

In Texas, El Paso County Judge Veronica Escobar calls the $2.6 billion, 650-mile border fence that winds through the south side of her city, "a rusting monument that makes my community look like a junk-yard." Even worse, the rows of 18-foot welded steel bars along the Rio Grande River don't do anything to address El Paso's costs from Mexico's drug wars, she says.

"Border residents have seen their communities used as a convenient backdrop to heated debates and political posturing about immigration and drug policies," she says.

For example, since 2008, when violence exploded across the border in Ciudad Jurez, Mexico, hundreds of near-dead victims have been rushed across the border to public emergency rooms where taxpayers have spent $4.9 million in trauma care for those victims to date. And local sheriffs are overwhelmed with policing transnational gangs. Jails, she said, are overcrowded. Prosecutors juggle cases that should be handled by feds.

"Where has some of the federal funding gone, if not to my trauma facility or increasing my law enforcement capacity?" Escobar asks, then answers her own question. " It's gone to a wall."

Nelson H. Balido, president of the Border Trade Alliance, questions whether federal border funding has shortchanged security at ports of entry, in favor of security between them.

"If there aren't enough inspectors to open up all the lanes at a land border port during a period of peak traffic, then shipments can get stuck waiting in sometimes miles-long backups, stalling just-in-time manufacturing operations and increasing costs," he said.

Nor does random vehicle inspection make sense, he said, comparing it to "a search for a needle in a haystack, often resulting in increased delays and congestion to residents and the trade."

Gil Kerlikowske, the outgoing director of the U.S. Office of National Drug Control Policy, said he doesn't think the country can completely stop drugs from crossing its borders and advocates a holistic approach that includes border security as well as prevention and treatment programs to lessen drug demand.

"I don't think we have a real choice but to make sure that we're putting the appropriate amount of money and technology into the border," Kerlikowske said. "But I also think when it comes to the drug issue that we need to be really focused on not just thinking about it from an enforcement end only."



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/06/22/20110622us-border-security-huge-costs-mixed-results.html#ixzz1zr3HxDW9

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An interesting read, and that right there is a feth load of drugs!

I honestly think that attempting to have a fully encompassing border of doom is pointless, because you will spend a fething bomb and still not get it 100%, the border is so large, surely its a physical impossibility unless you have some slaves ala the great wall or the fething pyramids.. medieval gak anyway!

I think they should go for a happy medium, use the guard.. its not like a wee bit of drugs and immigration is going to feth the US.

gak, you are only putting some real effort in NOW, and its not like you had anarchy in the 80s when it was fething open season!

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I'll just say what I said in the other thread, the Mexicans I know blame the drug users for the power the cartels have to kill people and turn Mexico into a hell hole.
A friend's brother had his car just taken by a cartel member because it was a nice car. There was no sneaking about it, the guy just took the car, and the owner knew there was no help to be had because the cartels own a lot of the police.
Another of his brothers had a business the cartels wanted, so they just took that.
I would like to see convicted drug users sent on a tour of Mexico, it's neighborhoods, morgues, etc. to witness what they are helping do to that country
   
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Relapse wrote:I'll just say what I said in the other thread, the Mexicans I know blame the drug users for the power the cartels have to kill people and turn Mexico into a hell hole.


I know they blame the drug users, but they should blame all of us.

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Elaborate, please.
   
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Relapse wrote:Elaborate, please.


US voters keep illegal drugs illegal, and thereby create a market for the cartels. Obviously simply legalizing illegal drugs won't fix everything, but the point is that we all contribute to the problem; even people that advocate legalization (of whatever drug).


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mattyrm wrote:
gak, you are only putting some real effort in NOW, and its not like you had anarchy in the 80s when it was fething open season!


Oh, we've put real effort in for some time.

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Even if drugs were legalized tomorrow, the drug users were the ones creating the demand, thereby empowering the cartels, and causing people to die.
I wonder how many of these users are anti gun, anti violence, etc.

Here's an article from Wiki that could be a nice springboard for further research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War
   
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Relapse wrote:Even if drugs were legalized tomorrow, the drug users were the ones creating the demand, thereby empowering the cartels, and causing people to die.
I wonder how many of these users are anti gun, anti violence, etc.


Probably many of them, at least on a philosophical basis.

But that isn't really the point. People want drugs, its part of being a person. It doesn't matter what the drug is, it could be THC, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine, opium, codeine, ibuprofen, etc. The distinction is legality. Make ibuprofen illegal and the cartels with traffic that. The drug users may have created the demand, but everyone else created the market.

How many bootleggers are there these days?

Relapse wrote:
Here's an article from Wiki that could be a nice springboard for further research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Drug_War


Sure, people die in Mexico. But the fault is Mexico's hat, all of it, the users are just scapegoats.

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I keep having fever dreams about what kind of shadow drug war we would have between Corporate interests and cartels if drugs were legalized. It's the stuff of fictional legend!

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US voters keep illegal drugs illegal, and thereby create a market for the cartels. Obviously simply legalizing illegal drugs won't fix everything, but the point is that we all contribute to the problem; even people that advocate legalization (of whatever drug).


Horse gak. Blame yourself if you want. Don't blame me for your bad behavior.
*I don't do illegal drugs. i don't condone illegal drugs.
*I don't support the prison industrial complex.
*I did't vote for any of the turkeys currently in power. In fact if I vote for you, its a leading indicator you're going to lose.
*I didn't vote for a sieve of a border either.

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Frazzled wrote:
Horse gak. Blame yourself if you want. Don't blame me for your bad behavior.


Trying to wash your hands of the matter is exactly why nothing gets done.

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@dogma

There are many urges and desires that go into making a person, but that doesn't mean we have to give in to every negative impulse, especially at the expense of others.
   
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Relapse wrote:@dogma
There are many urges and desires that go into making a person, but that doesn't mean we have to give in to every negative impulse, especially at the expense of others.


Did you eat steak on the Fourth? Why not instant noodles? You could have given the difference to children that can't buy either.

That was at their expense.

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dogma wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Horse gak. Blame yourself if you want. Don't blame me for your bad behavior.


Trying to wash your hands of the matter is exactly why nothing gets done.


Again horsehit. You're making excuses. I accept no blame except for what I have done or not done. And what I haven't done, is support cartels. If you've taken illegal drugs then thineself look in the mirror, but don't put that off on others.

As for themselves? Same thing as happened to any other organized crime syndicate that got out of hand. Terminate them or vote them into office. Pick one.

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Frazzled wrote:
Again horsehit. You're making excuses. I accept no blame except for what I have done or not done. And what I haven't done, is support cartels.


You don't accept blame for what you've done? I mean I get that, why would you, but usually only I say such things.

But I'm not making excuses, I'm accusing others of doing that.

Frazzled wrote: If you've taken illegal drugs then thineself look in the mirror, but don't put that off on others.


You're in your 40's, yeah?

I'll give you odds that your dad took an illegal drug: alcohol.

Not an insult, my dad's dad did.

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dogma wrote:
Relapse wrote:@dogma
There are many urges and desires that go into making a person, but that doesn't mean we have to give in to every negative impulse, especially at the expense of others.



Did you eat steak on the Fourth? Why not instant noodles? You could have given the difference to children that can't buy either.

That was at their expense.


That's not a good comparison as I had kids that couldn't afford better eating at my place.
Even if I didn't do such things, it's still not a good comparison.



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As a further note, i've had the chidren of families I've helped out with food and money later tell me that their parents spend their money on drugs.

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Sure, but how many?

I'm guessing not as many as were possible.

Not that I'm saying you're a bad guy, lord knows I could give more to the needy, I just feel this particular topic needs a fair accounting of what we really do to each other.

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Let's just say I do as much as I can afford.
Back to my thoughts on your comparison, the fact of whether I eat steak or not is subject for another thread that perhaps, of itself could be interesting.
However, our current topic is the drug cartels and the expense in money and human misery they cause with the support of drug users.
I have to side with Frazzled on this, I have no desire to do drugs and I am educating my children not to use that garbage.
I am doing what I can to keep money and power from the cartels in this regard.
   
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Am I the only one who think's "Buy American!" as the best antidote to this thread?

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Relapse wrote:
I am doing what I can to keep money and power from the cartels in this regard.


Good that you attached the word "regard", but it still shows a value that you place on the comfort of those you know (Or yourself, depending on how broad the "self" is.) that exceeds that of those you don't.

That's what I was getting at with the steak (car, TV, AC, whatever) analogy.

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dogma wrote:
Relapse wrote:
I am doing what I can to keep money and power from the cartels in this regard.


Good that you attached the word "regard", but it still shows a value that you place on the comfort of those you know (Or yourself, depending on how broad the "self" is.) that exceeds that of those you don't.

That's what I was getting at with the steak (car, TV, AC, whatever) analogy.


What I meant in that context was that I was doing what I can to ensure the well being of my family as well others in whatever small way I can. I admit knowing Mexicans and hearing first hand their stories about how the cartels are destroying a land they do truly love gives me more more feelings of investment in this than most people, but it's something you really can't turn your back on when you've been exposed to it.
It is really a battle of good versus evil in the most basic sense, and whether they understand it or not, drug users are empowering the evil side of this situation.
   
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Still, Rep. Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican, warns against complacency.


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Relapse wrote:
It is really a battle of good versus evil in the most basic sense, and whether they understand it or not, drug users are empowering the evil side of this situation.


I agree that most of them probably don't understand it, or don't care, but extend it to everyone else in this country and don't think its good versus evil. I think its "How do we contend with a problem that will always exist?"

We can go into welfare, minimum wage law, drug laws, lax enforcement of immigration law, lax enforcement of employment law, economic disparity, etc. Lots of things help the cartels, and most of them aren't directly related.

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Sometimes the simple solutions are best. In this case, not buying drugs eliminates most of the money cartels operate on.
   
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as soon as marijuana is legalized they will mostly all go away


Columbia is trying hard now, they are legalizing personal possession of marijuana and cocaine

I see marijuana becoming completely decriminalized in the US in the next 4 years, it makes no sense to keep throwing money into a hole trying to stop people from using a plant that to this day has not killed a single person. The fact that cigarettes and alcohol are legal yet this wonder plant is fething illegal is a clear example of what money can do in politics. Soon there will be big money coming from this side though, and soon after that we will win our fight, and this plant will be freed from it captors.


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Sure, but it won't happen. People still bought liquor during Prohibition and they'll still buy marijuana, cocaine, meth, etc. no matter the penalty.

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as soon as marijuana is legalized they will mostly all go away


I see a lot of employers implementing piss test

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dogma wrote:
Relapse wrote:
I am doing what I can to keep money and power from the cartels in this regard.


Good that you attached the word "regard", but it still shows a value that you place on the comfort of those you know (Or yourself, depending on how broad the "self" is.) that exceeds that of those you don't.

That's what I was getting at with the steak (car, TV, AC, whatever) analogy.


Thats still not relevant to the topic. Are you going to actually discuss the OP which you submitted or play weird side games? If so I'm out.

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Relapse wrote:Sometimes the simple solutions are best. In this case, not buying drugs eliminates most of the money cartels operate on.


Creating an unrealistic goal is probably not the the simplest solution. That is like saying that getting no teens to ever have sex again is the simplest way to cure teen pregnancy. Both ignore the fact that neither (absolute teen celibacy or getting no one to want to take drugs) are going to happen. If there is a simplest way, it would be to regulate some drugs that illegal in the same way we regulate some drugs that are. Making Marijuana legal and controlled would be a huge blow.

I don't think recognizing that we play a part in the drug business is really damning us as much as trying to understand the problem. Blame isn't all that helpful as much as recognizing the issues and how they are connected. Mexico, through their own set of problems, allowed the cartels to set up shop there and run roughshod over them just as much as we encourage them to run a risky business by offering such high levels of return on their investment. They would take the risk if there ws no reward, and if the environment wasn't suitable to begin with they wouldn't have been able to penetrate so deeply into the country that they can't be displaced. It is going to to take effort on both sides to do something about it, assuming we actually want to do something about it instead of feeling like we are doing something.

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Of course...buying some drugs stands a good chance of funding a terrorist organization

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