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So I was reading up on how challenges work tonight. Can my lord use mss in a challenge fight? Seems cheesy but I have to ask...

necron99 wrote:So I was reading up on how challenges work tonight. Can my lord use mss in a challenge fight? Seems cheesy but I have to ask...

Pg 64: "For the duration of the challenge, these two models are considered to be in base contact only with each other."

Errata on the MSS state that it doesn't trigger until the start of the fight sub-phase. Challenges happen at the start of the fight phase as well. Can anyone weigh in on which happens first? I'm guessing that would be up to the controlling player, but I don't have anything to cite offhand to support that.

EDIT: Later in the MSS errata it states it can hit him if on his own or in a challenge, which implies that this can happen after challenges have been issued. So it's indisputable that in the second round if neither combatant has fled then we can use MSS. It also gives a pretty strong point of evidence that it can be used in the first round of a challenge as well.

Awesome - thanks for doing the research! It helps to be able to point stuff out in the book like that because I know some BA players who are going to be yelling cheese...but it seems like the necrons got a lot cheese in this edition...

Since both are at the same time (atleast until its FAQ'd) the player whose turn it is can choose the order they go in, your opponent would prefer MSS first then a challenge, however in your turn its best to challenge first and then the enemy character has to take the MSS himself if he accepts the challenge.

Userarm wrote:Since both are at the same time (atleast until its FAQ'd) the player whose turn it is can choose the order they go in, your opponent would prefer MSS first then a challenge, however in your turn its best to challenge first and then the enemy character has to take the MSS himself if he accepts the challenge.

I thought this was true but do you have a rule that states this?

Necron FAQ

Check the line in parenthesis on what happens when using MSS in a Challenge. :3

Xzerios wrote: Necron FAQ

Check the line in parenthesis on what happens when using MSS in a Challenge. :3

It can indisputably be used when already in a challenge, but there's a discrepancy on what happens in the first round of a challenge. They both trigger at the start of the fight sub phase.

Read the fourth line of the FAQ (its the one with the challenge bit as well), more specifically, the part right after the parenthesis.

Ostrakon wrote:

Userarm wrote:Since both are at the same time (atleast until its FAQ'd) the player whose turn it is can choose the order they go in, your opponent would prefer MSS first then a challenge, however in your turn its best to challenge first and then the enemy character has to take the MSS himself if he accepts the challenge.

I thought this was true but do you have a rule that states this?

It just all happens at the same time, if you have to roll off to see if it works.

Xzerios wrote:Read the fourth line of the FAQ (its the one with the challenge bit as well), more specifically, the part right after the parenthesis.

"when it is his turn to attack"

Which is nice, but it doesn't help who we're picking to get hit. If they're in a challenge MSS can only hit whoever's in the challenge. If they're not when MSS goes off it's someone randomly decided in base contact with the MSS user.


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juraigamer wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

Userarm wrote:Since both are at the same time (atleast until its FAQ'd) the player whose turn it is can choose the order they go in, your opponent would prefer MSS first then a challenge, however in your turn its best to challenge first and then the enemy character has to take the MSS himself if he accepts the challenge.

I thought this was true but do you have a rule that states this?

It just all happens at the same time, if you have to roll off to see if it works.

Citation?

Which is nice, but it doesn't help who we're picking to get hit. If they're in a challenge MSS can only hit whoever's in the challenge. If they're not when MSS goes off it's someone randomly decided in base contact with the MSS user.

Page 5, Randomising good sir. :3

The 6th ed rulebook, pg9 EXCEPTIONS states 'you'll occasionally discover exceptions to the general turn sequence laid out here, when things are worked out as they occur rather than in any strict order. At other times, you'll find that both players will have to do something at the same time. When these things happen, the player whose turn it is decides the order in which the events occur'.

Since the MSS and issuing challenges occur at the start of the fight sub-phase, whose ever player turn it is decides the order.

Userarm wrote:The 6th ed rulebook, pg9 EXCEPTIONS states 'you'll occasionally discover exceptions to the general turn sequence laid out here, when things are worked out as they occur rather than in any strict order. At other times, you'll find that both players will have to do something at the same time. When these things happen, the player whose turn it is decides the order in which the events occur'.

Since the MSS and issuing challenges occur at the start of the fight sub-phase, whose ever player turn it is decides the order.

THERE WE GO, thank you.