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Wait, wait. Now BT's can pick rage vow that adds more attacks!

It seems like High Marshal Helbrecht with his added 1d3 attack can get a 4 standard attacks,+2 from rage and maybe +3 from his word. A total of 9 power weapon attacks?!

and does rage replace normal charge bonus if its even in anymore? if not then 10 attack in all..., hope someone can clarifi since I dont have the new book yet.

The other thing is his sword.

Change final sentence to read'' in the first turn of any assault, the sword of the highmarshels gives helbrecht an additional D3 attacks for the duration of that turn. (roll at the beginning of each fight sub-phase.)

the last sentence I dont understand. Do I get the d3 attack every turn even if im locked in combat???

[Sword of the High Marshals] gives +D3 attacks in close combat. You roll each player assultphase to detemine how many bonus attacks the weapon gives for that individual assultphase.
So yes, each phase helbrecht is involved in a combat he gets +d3 attacks.

Rage gives you +2 attavks on the charge instead of the normal +1 attack for charging

thank you!

Helbrecht only gets the +D3 in the first turn of an assault. It states so specifically. So it doesn't matter if Helbrecht charged or were charged, he still gets the +D3 but only the first turn. The last sentence about his sword in the Black Templars update is to show that a new roll is made every time so it's not just a single roll for an entire game.

I Do not agree. Palm Smack!

can anyone clear the matter? I have 2 opinions now

Yes it would be nice to hear from others as well. Others who have just read the Black Templar update.

Helbrecht gains his bonus d3 all the time in melee, in addition to any other bonuses. It says this on his page.

So with his 4 attacks base, plus d3, plus 2 from charging with rage, he can reach 9 attacks.

'In the first round of an assault, Helbrecht gains d3 IN ADDITION to any other bonuses.'

So base+rage+d3 on the charge

base+d3 if charged

ongoing combat = base.

Well that didnt help at all.

Let me get this right, if his locked in combat he only has the 4 attacks *after* first round of close combat?.

But akkados, juraigamer and Kiredor do not have the same opinion.

juraigamer, I read "In the first turn of any assault..." where an assault is the close combat Helbrecht is in. So if we said that he got the D3 bonus all the time, then what does the "In the first turn..." mean? Seems like you ignore this part.

4 base
+d3 if the first player turn of an assault.
+2 if rage charging

It's not hard.

First turn of an assault is quite clear, it does not matter if he assaults or is assaulted.

Chaospling wrote:But akkados, juraigamer and Kiredor do not have the same opinion.

juraigamer, I read "In the first turn of any assault..." where an assault is the close combat Helbrecht is in. So if we said that he got the D3 bonus all the time, then what does the "In the first turn..." mean? Seems like you ignore this part.

yeah.

Phototoxin wrote:4 base
+d3 if the first player turn of an assault.
+2 if rage charging

It's not hard.

First turn of an assault is quite clear, it does not matter if he assaults or is assaulted.

But the question was. Is he allowed to use his sword on the following turn if his still locked in combat since the new FAQ's says (roll at the beginning of each fight sub-phase.)

That's what he answered in your quotation. Only in the first turn of an assault and so not in the following turns.

The FAQ repeats the line about 'in the first round of any assault'

The each in 'each fight phase' is referring to each time it is the first round of any assault.

"'' in the first turn of any assault,"

There is only ever one "first turn" of an individual assault.

in other words only when assualting or assaulted and not if still bound in CC in the following turn?

akkados wrote:in other words only when assualting or assaulted and not if still bound in CC in the following turn?

Correct.

The "each fight subphase" is telling you not to roll once on the 2nd turn assault and use the same number for the rest of the game - you have to re-roll every first turn of an assault.