Drazhar in a challenge..

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**ThePhish**

This came up in a friendly "learn the rules" game the other night.

Darting strike, the FAQ says:
"At the beginning of any Fight sub-phase in which Drazhar is locked in close combat, but after any challenges have been issued and accepted or declined, he may move to any part of the same combat where there is room to place him."

My opinion, darting strike is useless if a challenge is "ISSUED".
1 - He accepts, he's considered to be in b2b regardless of where he's standing the the challenge. The challenge rules even cover this allowing models to fight and not be touching.
2 - He declines, he's not involved in the fight anyway.

Is this correct?

Edited to add whole FAQ ruling.

**Necrosis**

Yes, That's why you take a Klaivex to accept the challenge for him. It's also useful if your opponent declines the challenge.

**Tarrasq**

Not sure abot darting strike, but all effects that are simultaneous in the rules take effect in the order the player whose turn it is decides.

Edit: I guess the op removed the MSS and challenges bit...

As the above poster said take an upgrade character along to accept challenges.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I don't know.....
I feel like darting strike would supercede the "go to the back of the unit and cry" idea for declining a challenge. I'll have to re-read the rules but Drazzar might have a way around it......

**Necrosis**

This is why we have an FAQ people, daring strike happens before challenges.

**Doomaflatchi**

Necrosis wrote:This is why we have an FAQ people, daring strike happens before challenges.

To quote the FAQ: "...but after any challenges have been issued and accepted or declined..."

**Exergy**

Necrosis wrote:This is why we have an FAQ people, daring strike happens before challenges.

if you read the FAQ it happens after challenges

**Vindicare-Obsession**

so he can say feth the challenge?

**Necrosis**

I could have sworn it said before. My eyes lie to me! Curse you eyes!

**whembly**

So... how does it work?

1) Ghazzy+boyz: Ghazzy issues a challege
2) Drazhar accepts
3) Drazhar uses his "Darting Strike" to move to btb with the boyz away from Ghazzy
4) Now what?

Who strikes who?

**Vindicare-Obsession**

Drazzar OP

Gazzy gets angry about puny space elf running away and hits himself repetedly in frustration, forgetting his power claw

**Necrosis**

whembly wrote:So... how does it work?

1) Ghazzy+boyz: Ghazzy issues a challege
2) Drazhar accepts
3) Drazhar uses his "Darting Strike" to move to btb with the boyz away from Ghazzy
4) Now what?

Who strikes who?

Ghazzy can't attack cause he is no longer in base contact and Drazhar is like:

Spoiler:

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I hope you know that you ruined my keyboard. I was drinking coke when I read that post. I had to dust off one from the attic.

**Necrosis**

If it makes you feel better ever time I do that with Drazhar I put a piece of paper over his head with that troll face printed out on it.

**Vindicare-Obsession**

I would ceed the game at that point because you are obviously an evil genious in the skin of a SoB player

**ThePhish**

My bad, should have posted the part of the FAQ right before that line about when the darting strike takes place. Edited original post.

Thank you Necrosis, Good, expensive, idea

.
Klaivex w/ demiklaive - 67 point upgrade character. 3A S5 ap2 w/ 3+ save. Still gets eaten by standard power weapons.

**whembly**

ThePhish wrote:My bad, should have posted the part of the FAQ right before that line about when the darting strike takes place. Edited original post.

Thank you Necrosis, Good, expensive, idea .
Klaivex w/ demiklaive - 67 point upgrade character. 3A S5 ap2 w/ 3+ save. Still gets eaten by standard power weapons.

Not if they get their attacks first... hence, why sticking the baron or cheap archon with PGL...

Their issue is really when they get their gak shot out...

**DaKKaLAnce**

So drazhar can accept a challenge... Leave using darting strike, and still attack the unit, while the challenger sits in disappointment?

**ThePhish**

I don't think so, by the challenge rules, he's still 'considered' to be in b2b, regardless of where the model physically stands. So essentially, his darting strike is useless in a challenge.

It kind of makes sense since it's a 1 vs1 and there's not much point to running around the combat.

**DaKKaLAnce**

I can see him leaving, and attacking others,To represent his insane speed.... But you know GW...They like to hear people argue about rules.

**whembly**

ThePhish wrote:I don't think so, by the challenge rules, he's still 'considered' to be in b2b, regardless of where the model physically stands. So essentially, his darting strike is useless in a challenge.

It kind of makes sense since it's a 1 vs1 and there's not much point to running around the combat.

I don't have the DE codex with me... but, Drazhar's "Darting Strike" may specifically override that challenge btb rule...

**DaKKaLAnce**

Well drazhar has by far been my favorite character in 40k. But I dont think GW RAI was for him to be able to leave the challenge.
It says no where that he leaves the challenge, fluff wise, he would never leave a challenge anyways. So I would just wait for an FAQ (if one does come out for it) to clarify things.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
As a side note... I dont see why he would really want to leave..He can destroy almost anyone/anything 1v1

**Kiredor**

There is nothing in darting strike that overrides either the fact that if he accepts a challenge, he may only attack the model in the challenge, or that if he refuses the challenge, he may not strike blows. Nor does it negate the fact that the other challenger can still hit him

**DaKKaLAnce**

His darting strike doesnt even say he can leave a challenge, I say we just wait for the FAQ. This discussion will just be a non stop tug-a-war

**Kiredor**

Well my point was that he doesn't leave the challenge, the model just moves.

If he is in a challenge, this movement does nothing for him.

**Traceoftoxin**

In challenge is specifically states, "For the duration of the challenge, these two models are considered to be in base contact only with each other".

So you can't accept and darting strike away. To avoid fighting. You can, however, do it to move him someplace he wants to be in the subsequent rounds of combat, assuming he kills his opponent.

If you decline the challenge and then move, you're simply changing who can hit him. He can't attack but he can still be attacked.

**Mannahnin**

Concur. Regardless of where you move him, the two models in the challenge are still considered to be in contact with each other.

**whembly**

Mannahnin wrote:Concur. Regardless of where you move him, the two models in the challenge are still considered to be in contact with each other.

I think I agree too...

That would make his ability sort of useless eh?

**Mannahnin**

whembly wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:Concur. Regardless of where you move him, the two models in the challenge are still considered to be in contact with each other.

I think I agree too...

That would make his ability sort of useless eh?

It's still awesome. It just doesn't negate challenges.

**grazingshot**

Looking at the wound allocation rules and challenges I can still see a use to this. I know there's a few threads going over 'overflow' wounds, but bear with me. Wounds need to first be assigned to models in base to base until those models are dead, after which wounds are then assigned to the next closest model. In a challenge you are considered to be in base to base with only your challengee. With that in mind Draz would still be in base to base with his challengee on the other side of a combat, so must assign wounds to him until he is dead. IF he causes more than enough wounds to kill his challengee, excess wounds would then be assigned to the closest models to his new location, allowing him to still be able to assassinate other targets of value.