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How would the Imperium of Man (40K) Classify the Warhammer Planet (cannot think of the name they use for it). I think it would get lumed as a Daemon world and be subject to imediate EXTERMINATUS!! Lets face it, there is a Warp rift that is CONSTANTLY open on the Northern poll and it has a Moon that is made ENTIRELY of concentrated Magic (the Warp).

I always liked to think that the Fantasy planet DOES exist in the 40K world and that it is cut off from the rest of the Galaxy by a warpstorm of some sort. What would it be like if they had a Jetsons meets the Flintstones esque cross over? I vaguely remember being told that a few editions ago DAEMONS could have random 40K weapons as "GIFTS" or something like that.

Ignoring the first half of your post because I absolutely despise 40k and it's community.

Second half, I believe that any cross over would lose more players then they gain. Some 40k players may cross over, however I think the majority of fantasy players would quit (myself included) If 40k and fantasy had a warmahorde type system I think it would be ultimately a failure.

Keep the worlds seperate.

Stoupe wrote:Ignoring the first half of your post because I absolutely despise 40k and it's community.

Second half, I believe that any cross over would lose more players then they gain. Some 40k players may cross over, however I think the majority of fantasy players would quit (myself included) If 40k and fantasy had a warmahorde type system I think it would be ultimately a failure.

Keep the worlds seperate.

It's a generic fluff question, he's not suggesting the games be intermixed.

Meh, too many Chaos worshipping heretics and a false emperor. Exterminatus.

It would be a Mu class planet, or Feudal world. Ecosystem wise, its a Terra type planet.

Once colonised it would probably become an Alpha class planet, or Agri-world.

Terra.

Damn Stupe chill out man! As a member of that 40K comunity you so DESPISE I am inclined to defend my gaming preferance! Also NOT ONCE was Warmachine or Hordes even REMOTELY mentioned so not quite sure were the Warmahordes game play idea came from?

Anyway back on topic. I will throw this up over on the 40K side to AVOID upsetting the Fantasy players with my questions about a game system that stemmed from the original rulesets.

You asked for a crossover and how it would play out. Thus liking it to two systems with a same or similar ruleset, which is why I mentioned warmahordes. Two games similar enough to have a crossover.

Can't help but be honest.

Settle down. It was a simple background question.

It would be classified as a feudal world.

I could see them setting the planet up as a research station because of the polar gate issue.

Dooley wrote:Damn Stupe chill out man! As a member of that 40K comunity you so DESPISE I am inclined to defend my gaming preferance! Also NOT ONCE was Warmachine or Hordes even REMOTELY mentioned so not quite sure were the Warmahordes game play idea came from?

Anyway back on topic. I will throw this up over on the 40K side to AVOID upsetting the Fantasy players with my questions about a game system that stemmed from the original rulesets.

I shouldn't worry about it, 15 months of wargaming knowledge is sometimes just too much to hold in.

btw - in answer to the question is the Simpsons.

Who would win between Batman and Wolverine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

Stoupe wrote:You asked for a crossover and how it would play out. Thus liking it to two systems with a same or similar ruleset, which is why I mentioned warmahordes. Two games similar enough to have a crossover.

Can't help but be honest.

It already happened, 40k and fantasy systems used to be playable and mixable (to a certain extent) together.

As others have said, please dont write off a whole community of players of any system, it does not effect them what you think, it does effect you though by making you angry (or seem that way)

1st, WFB players generally want NOTHING to do with 40k in their WFB games. No fluff, no crossover. Just because 40k has broader scope doesn't mean that WFB has to fit in that scope. There are also canon contradictions between the two, such as the birth of Slaanesh. Also, if the Old Ones were around in 40k, the ermagerd emprer would gak a brick and watch his puny imperium die as swarms of Saurus exterminate the ever spreading disease of humanity.

I like 40k, I like WFB. But they do not belong together. Ever.

Also, I'm pretty sure WFB existed first.

Aerethan wrote:1st, WFB players generally want NOTHING to do with 40k in their WFB games. No fluff, no crossover. Just because 40k has broader scope doesn't mean that WFB has to fit in that scope. There are also canon contradictions between the two, such as the birth of Slaanesh. Also, if the Old Ones were around in 40k, the ermagerd emprer would gak a brick and watch his puny imperium die as swarms of Saurus exterminate the ever spreading disease of humanity.

I like 40k, I like WFB. But they do not belong together. Ever.

QFT

Formosa wrote:

Stoupe wrote:You asked for a crossover and how it would play out. Thus liking it to two systems with a same or similar ruleset, which is why I mentioned warmahordes. Two games similar enough to have a crossover.

Can't help but be honest.

It already happened, 40k and fantasy systems used to be playable and mixable (to a certain extent) together.

As others have said, please dont write off a whole community of players of any system, it does not effect them what you think, it does effect you though by making you angry (or seem that way)

Oh I know it already happened. The original game had both systems. I frankly think the seperation of the systems were one of the best things GW ever did. As for writing off the community of players. I gave it chances over years. I kept trying to like it, but there were so many things that just kept pushing me away from it.

Just like it does not effect them what I think, it doesn't make a difference to me what they think. I wrote one sentence regarding why I ignore the first part of the question, that is all. I did not demean the person for playing 40k or insult him. I only said I despise that rulesystem/gamesystem and its community. I have friends who play 40k. But they know they will never get me to play them in that rule system.

I play both 40k and fantasy as well as most people in my area...do you hate that community? It seems like you are somewhat throwing down some flamebait here..

Seems to me like the world of WHFB is pretty blatantly a precursor to the world of 40k (fluffwise, not mechanically or technically).
Almost every fantasy race is represented. Some obviously, some a little more obscure, but they're there.
Man to Man
Chaos/Daemons to Chaos/Daemons Quadragods included.
Orcs to Orcs / Goblin to gretchin / snotlings to grots
Elves to Eldar
Dwarves to Squats
Ogres to Ogryn
Tomb Kings to Necrons
And I'm sure there are more.

Not to mention there are races in 40k unrepresented in FB; Tau, for one.

I think it's much more likely that the world of WHFB seeded the world of 40k. Maybe not from one particular world, but it seems quite obviously much older than 40k, giving little credence to the idea that WHFB and WH40k exist in the same time. The exception to this being the Warp, which brings into play several circular time travel dilemma arguments not worth getting into on troll infested web forums

Other way around.

The WHFB world also was in the eye or terror at one point before they decided to split them further. I'd say completely, but Daemons are in both.

Anyway I'd have to go with it being a feudal to feral world in 40k classification. The winds of magic probably won't do it any favours either.

bobert wrote:Seems to me like the world of WHFB is pretty blatantly a precursor to the world of 40k (fluffwise, not mechanically or technically).

No, they are mechanically similar, not fluffwise at all. Fluff is storyline. We got big books that state it's impossible for them to be related because their origins are mutually-exclusive. They've stated clearly the worlds aren't the same. They were at one point long ago, but it made no sense and was too hard to juggle. The reason stuff aligns is because they are lazy. They found game mechanics that worked and translated them to a different genre. If they make a pirate game or a settler game or a card game or a drinking game, they will use the same mechanics again. Because why reinvent the wheel? But no matter how hard a skeleton tries, he's not going to be a god-infused metal creature weirdness that is necrons. Especially when his particular fluff says he's not, never was, and never will be.

Fluff is also the art style, archetypes, "culture", and whatever else you'd like to throw at a race to keep the game from being empty bases.

WFB earth would be a pointless setting for the game if we all knew that eventually mankind survives and colonizes damn near every planet they find.

It makes the outcome of the planet predictable, and that is boring.

bobert wrote:Fluff is also the art style, archetypes, "culture", and whatever else you'd like to throw at a race to keep the game from being empty bases.

Fluff is just the storyline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluff_(fiction)

Fluff, in the context of such gaming fiction, refers to information that provides setting and context for the game.

In the context of fiction, fluff is essentially synonymous with 'Canon', i.e. the body of all fiction deemed to officially shape and define the fictional setting. It often takes the form of short stories or background information found in rulebooks and game supplements, but can take any form.

This does not explicitly limit fluff to text... One doesn't have to read a single book on orcs to notice they both use checkerboard patterns, squigs, and shoddy machinery. There are common visual themes like colors, iconography, etc that make up a race's fluff as well. It's a made up word open to interpretation and there is no finite definition...

Also, Wikipedia isn't exactly the best reference to use to try to back up a definition

I play 40k as well as WHFB and for some reason nothing makes me nerd rage like folk saying that the two are the same.

The two IPs are so vastly different its boggles the mind besides If they were the same here is how it would have gone during the great crusade.

Dead Space Zombie Lord "I claim this planet for terra!"

High Elf mage "thats nice" and then he opens a hole into HELL to swallow the drop ship and the emperor.

Then you throw skulltaker in to the mix. ..oh yeah the same character who can be used in both games