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Hyperphase Swords are defined as Power Weapons in their entry. Could they be replaced with an axe as they are not an unusual power weapon and the weapon's rules do not state the type of weapon?

I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

Hyperphase SWORDS.

Plus it looks way more like a sword than an axe. Find me a picture of an axe that has a blade running the entire length of the weapon and maybe you have a case.

In the digital codex it says they have AP3 as well.

4oursword wrote:Hyperphase Swords are defined as Power Weapons in their entry. Could they be replaced with an axe as they are not an unusual power weapon and the weapon's rules do not state the type of weapon?

I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

This has been resolved in a stealth update. The Hyperphase sword in the digital Necron codex is AP3. Axes would have been a lot more useful for them, that's for sure.

Well that sucks. I though what with the looking like cleavers it would be ok to count them as axes, but converting them wouldn't be hard. Dammit stealth updates!

Eldarguy88 wrote:

4oursword wrote:Hyperphase Swords are defined as Power Weapons in their entry. Could they be replaced with an axe as they are not an unusual power weapon and the weapon's rules do not state the type of weapon?

I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

This has been resolved in a stealth update. The Hyperphase sword in the digital Necron codex is AP3. Axes would have been a lot more useful for them, that's for sure.

Can you clarify this? Are you saying tht the only update on this is in the digital Necron codex? Has this been updated in the 6th edition v.1 Necron FAQ? If not, I wonder if folks are going to have a hard time accepting this when all they have is the printed codex and FAQ.

-Yad

I just bought a Lychguard pack, i planned to put them shields n swords but now im now even sure if making them lychs are a good idea, seems praetors dont suck that hard this edition, but still warscythes are ap 1 so i just dont know what to dooo!!

Any advice?

Ostrakon wrote:Hyperphase SWORDS.

Plus it looks way more like a sword than an axe. Find me a picture of an axe that has a blade running the entire length of the weapon and maybe you have a case.

In the digital codex it says they have AP3 as well.

Please don't even go that way,... Eldirch LANCE is not a Lance...

Anyway I thik that has been confirmed in Digital Codex, Lychguards weapons are AP3.

Yad wrote:

Eldarguy88 wrote:

4oursword wrote:Hyperphase Swords are defined as Power Weapons in their entry. Could they be replaced with an axe as they are not an unusual power weapon and the weapon's rules do not state the type of weapon?

I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

This has been resolved in a stealth update. The Hyperphase sword in the digital Necron codex is AP3. Axes would have been a lot more useful for them, that's for sure.

Can you clarify this? Are you saying tht the only update on this is in the digital Necron codex? Has this been updated in the 6th edition v.1 Necron FAQ? If not, I wonder if folks are going to have a hard time accepting this when all they have is the printed codex and FAQ.

In the digital Necron codex, when you tap the hyperphase sword entry in such a manner as to bring up it's profile, it gives a profile that is identical to that of a power sword, strength as user ap3, no other rules. The FAQ on GW website has not been updated to match when I checked a few hours ago.

Likewise in the digital Space marine codex, Cato Sicarius' coup de grace attack (but not his regular attack) is given as AP2, although the website FAQ does not reflect this. I heard relic blades are also +2 strength AP3 but I have not seen this.

TheAzathoth wrote:I just bought a Lychguard pack, i planned to put them shields n swords but now im now even sure if making them lychs are a good idea, seems praetors dont suck that hard this edition, but still warscythes are ap 1 so i just dont know what to dooo!!

Any advice?

Praetorians still suck, they just suck less. Just don't assemble them with rods.

Ostrakon wrote:

TheAzathoth wrote:I just bought a Lychguard pack, i planned to put them shields n swords but now im now even sure if making them lychs are a good idea, seems praetors dont suck that hard this edition, but still warscythes are ap 1 so i just dont know what to dooo!!

Any advice?

Praetorians still suck, they just suck less. Just don't assemble them with rods.

Soo... will you recommend me Lych with shields n swords, warscythe lych or praetorians?

What came first the didgital codex or 6th edition?

Aftersong wrote:What came first the didgital codex or 6th edition?

Before, but they were updated after 6e was published. Melee weapons didn't have AP numbers in 5e, so these are obviously 6e updates.

TheAzathoth wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

TheAzathoth wrote:I just bought a Lychguard pack, i planned to put them shields n swords but now im now even sure if making them lychs are a good idea, seems praetors dont suck that hard this edition, but still warscythes are ap 1 so i just dont know what to dooo!!

Any advice?

Praetorians still suck, they just suck less. Just don't assemble them with rods.

Soo... will you recommend me Lych with shields n swords, warscythe lych or praetorians?

Depends. What do you need them to do? You can't just select units in a vacuum.

If you want something to clean scoring units off of objectives, 5 sword'n'board Lychguard in a Night Scythe will do nicely.

If you want a big unit of hate to feth around with your opponent's backplane, 5 sword'n'board Lychguard accompanied by a Destroyer Lord with MSS and weave and a court lord with MSS and a scythe is a fairly formidible unit, if thrown in a night scythe. The court lord can eat PF challenges while yours Destroyer lord cleans up with his own scythe. The two scythes are great for popping tanks sitting in the back, and the D-Lord can break off and assault units that will have a very hard time scratching him (S3/4 vs T6 and a 2+ means he can hold off a TON of dudes, and MSS in a challenge will handle anything like a PK nob or PF sarge.

Praetorians are decent utility units if you can keep them in cover until the final charge. With Pistols and Entropic Rending attacks, they're useful against most non-terminator units. If PF/SB termies make a comeback they'll prove an even match with this loadout if they can get the charge, they're great at screwing around with vehicles and walkers, and they just plain ruin MCs thanks to entropic strike and potential AP2 wounds.

The problems are that Wraiths are simply better. 5 points cheaper, 2 guaranteed wounds instead of a 5+ RP, a 3++ save, totally ignoring terrain, stronger HoW hits, more attacks, whip coil RAW shenanigans... they're just better units in general.

The FAQ Doesn't list a change to the swords, and I do not have access to an iPad. Is it in the BRB?

I'd go with warscythes. with the new updates, they are one of THE best close combat weapons in the game now.

True, but the shield is a nice piece of kit. Even better would be Warscythes and Shields!

iPad necron codex said that lychguard' hyperphase sword is profiled as S :User, AP:3

It means it is the SWORD

4oursword wrote:...and I do not have access to an iPad...

god.ra wrote:Please don't even go that way,... Eldirch LANCE is not a Lance...

Titles are not the Be-all-and-end-all. Also, what about someone who converted their swords to axes before the update?

4oursword wrote:Titles are not the Be-all-and-end-all. Also, what about someone who converted their swords to axes before the update?

They're functionally identical to swords (ie have S:user AP3, no Unwieldy). Same as in 5e.

The codex still says it's a sword - therefore it is AP3. Lychguard do not have the option to take any kind of Axe.


If i modelled my Chaos Lord to carry a Warscythe, does that give him +2 strength and Ap1?

4oursword wrote:I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

I see no problems with having the models actually carry axes, as long as you make their sword rules clear to your opponent. In fact, I'd quite like to see what they turn out like.

Super Ready wrote:

4oursword wrote:I ask because I want to make my Lychguard look like executioners, not MFE.

I see no problems with having the models actually carry axes, as long as you make their sword rules clear to your opponent. In fact, I'd quite like to see what they turn out like.

QFT.


as with any conversion, if you want them to carry big axes, give them big axes. But game-wise they will still be Ap3 power swords.

god.ra wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Hyperphase SWORDS.

Plus it looks way more like a sword than an axe. Find me a picture of an axe that has a blade running the entire length of the weapon and maybe you have a case.

In the digital codex it says they have AP3 as well.

Please don't even go that way,... Eldirch LANCE is not a Lance...

Anyway I thik that has been confirmed in Digital Codex, Lychguards weapons are AP3.

Another reason not to take them, and whoever said it looks like a sword I question if you have actually seen a sword. The model is very much holding an axe.

Here are the undocumented updates in the digital version of the Necron codex that to my knowledge aren't represented in the FAQ.

I will get a sticky up at some point to keep track of these things:

Pg 47 - Monolith Heavy: references Heavy type rules in the rulebook.

Pg 52 - Catacomb Command Barge: Sweep Attack special rule removed.

Pg 55 - Imotekh Staff of the Destroyer: changed last sentence to clarify that it only hits the actual number of models under the line (not every model in a unit crossed by the line).

Pg 59 - Trazyn's Surrogate Hosts rule: replace references to 'kill points' with 'victory points'.

Pg 81 - Hyperphase Sword: S of user, AP3, melee.

Pg 85 - Voltaic Staff: Haywire rule text now matches the version of Haywire in the rulebook.

Ok then, I'll admit defeat for trying to give them axes. Thanks for your input, everyone.

WHOA!!! Sweep Attacks removed from the CCB?!?

Praxiss wrote:WHOA!!! Sweep Attacks removed from the CCB?!?

Yes - it's now a Chariot so uses the rules for Chariot sweep attacks.

It's a Chariot, all chariots get sweep attacks automatically.

Phew!! i thought you meant they had been taken off entirely.

/endPanic

Praxiss wrote:Phew!! i thought you meant they had been taken off entirely.

/endPanic

The chariot one does have slightly different rules so make sure you read up on them before trying to use it again