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I'm entering a tournament in December and the opening game is a 400 point "story setter".

I think I have an idea of what I'd like to take though I'm reluctant to post it incase it gives any potential opponents the nod.

What I'd really appreciate from the community here is what you'd take in a 400 point list, so please just post as many different options as you can come up with so I can think about how I'd counter it.

The rules are as follows;

400 pts
40” x 40” Board set up
40 Minute time limit
Animosity Kill Team/Zone Mortalis rules
Animosity Kill Team force org

The game represents the first contact between opposing forces and therefore is designed to be played as a fast paced skirmish. A time limit is in place for play only. Players must be deployed when the countdown begins. Infiltrators/scout moves etc, are carried out as normal. Animosity Kill Team force organisation consists of NO – HQ, Vehicles or Armour Saves which better Power Armour (2+ saves basically). Walkers may be used. Animosity Kill Team does not split units into individuals. Any actions involving tunnels, space craft etc, will use a variation of the zone mortalis rule set created by Forgeworld. These rules will be made available at a later date.

This is open to all 40k races and your help is appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Kitch

(edited to include full and correct rules)

9 war walkers w/ SL

How would you deploy them? All 9 as one unit, multiples of 3...?

Grey Knight Strike Squad- psycannon- 130
Grey Knight Strike Squad- psycannon- 130
Grey Knight Interceptor Squad- psycannon- 140

That's what I would take, playing as Grey Knights.
Are you allowed to take non-skimmer vehicles?

No HQ, and no skimmers? Can you take Fliers? Are you forced into taking 2 Troops?

Depending on the answers to those, I'd run:

5x Immortals in a Night Scythe

5x Immortals in a Night Scythe

1 Tomb Blade with a Shadowloom

The Tomb Blade would obviously be hiding well back behind BLOS and always turbo-boosting for cover. Make sure you've always got at least one model on the table!

If theres no force organisation then it would be
4x 5 man scout squad w/ sniper rifles, camo cloaks and a missile launcher.

You can get more in that that can't you? You could have 4 tac squads with flamer and ml for, iirc, 360?

No. 4 Tac Squads with Flamer and Missile Launcher is something like 600pts total, as they need to number 10 models.

Depending on my army

space marines 2 x 5 man sternguard squads each with 3 combi weapons (flamers or melta) in a drop each


tyranids

2 x 15 man devilguant broods in miecetic spores

and you need to have the tactical squads ten man strong to field any special or heavy weapons

Any chaos sm players out there?

Thans for the feedback so far!

Assuming you don't have to have troops, 2 Flying DPs with Mark of Tzeentch and breath come out to right around 400 points.

7 paladin, 15 points left for a little gear on them.
I'd like to see anyone else's 400 point army standing up to a unit of 7 paladin. Maybe that list of walkers could.

Purifier wrote: 7 paladin, 15 points left for a little gear on them.
I'd like to see anyone else's 400 point army standing up to a unit of 7 paladin. Maybe that list of walkers could.

Except the rules say nothing better than 3+. You show up with your paladin army they don't even have to face you to win.

motyak wrote:

Purifier wrote: 7 paladin, 15 points left for a little gear on them.
I'd like to see anyone else's 400 point army standing up to a unit of 7 paladin. Maybe that list of walkers could.

Except the rules say nothing better than 3+. You show up with your paladin army they don't even have to face you to win.

d'aww, missed that.

I don't have my codex on me, but a squad of 6 LF's(5 ML/Leader) is like 140 points right?

I'd consider filling up on those. Since War Walkers were already taken.

Or I'd consider Warp Spyders. I've always enjoyed running around with those guys.

scotta29 wrote:
and you need to have the tactical squads ten man strong to field any special or heavy weapons

Actually, if we are talking generics, you get the special at 5 models, and the heavy unlocks at 10.

Lemartes and 6 DC marines with jumppacks 2 with bolters and 1 with a power fist.

10 Chaos Terminators
- 2 Reaper auto canoons
- 6 pairs of ligthing claws
- power fist on rest
- Aspirering Champion

1 Defiler

Sorry, dude, my input is not required.

Trondheim wrote:10 Chaos Terminators
- 2 Reaper auto canoons
- 6 pairs of ligthing claws
- power fist on rest
- Aspirering Champion

1 Defiler

Illegal, no 2+ saves allowed.

As for the list I'd take? 2 full squads of Necron Destroyers, 5 in each, is 400 points exactly. This gives me 10 Jump Infantry with weapons that cut through any armor I might face, the ability to reroll 1's to hit and wound and the ability to get back up after taking wounds through RP.

nolzur wrote:

scotta29 wrote:
and you need to have the tactical squads ten man strong to field any special or heavy weapons

Actually, if we are talking generics, you get the special at 5 models, and the heavy unlocks at 10.

Oh if only this were the case. For codex space marines and blood angels tactical squads require 10 men before you can take any non sarge upgrades.

IG and take two leeman russes? I really doubt many people could deal with AV14 front and AV13 side, and two S8 AP3 pie plates. The other 100 points could be whatever, but it wouldn't be that important.

Why no one has suggested 66 Ork boyz is beyond me.
=D

8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
7 psykers
7 psykers

400 pts.

4 S10 AP1 Large Blasts (36", Assault).
2 S9 AP1 Large Blasts (36", Assault).

Crusaders protect larger psyker groups by soaking up incoming low volume long range shots.

You'll get around 2 direct hits (or 1" scatter) per turn, ignoring FNP and killing 2 wound models outright (T4 or 5). You'll probably lose one unit to Perils during the game. You'll probably win.

I can't help but feel that a "Story Setter" should have some story to it. So I've chucked a rough one together, I've been messing around with Tau recently so here's a Tau one

La'Tau'Shova crouches in the undergrowth, waiting. The delicate mic boom on his XV15 alerted him to the approaching Leman Russ a couple of minutes ago and his team now held position waiting for the armour to enter visual range. The second XV15 team reports visual contact with the enemy column just seconds before his own drone video pipes into his controller with the initial pictures – A single imperial tank escorted by a pair of walkers and dozens of infantry. Shova prepares his ace in the hole with a short burst transmission before ordering both teams to engage. Burst cannon and pulse carbine fire tear into the exposed guardsmen, sending them running for cover, return fire is rendered all but ineffectual against the well concealed battle armour and as their foe starts to advance, to flush out the tau, Shova gives the signal. The XV8 Crisis suit drops from the sky landing within feet of the Leman Russ, the rear armour no match against melta and plasma. In seconds the enemy tank's gun falls silent and the Crisis pilot uses his defeated foe as cover. Surrounded and overmatched the remaining guards are overrun in minutes, never even seeing the first Devilfish of the Hunter Cadre approaching fast from the South. La'Tau'Shova reports the contact and quickly plots the next sweep of his patrol.

3 Stealth Suits 150
3 dc, 1 fb, tl, hv bsf
5 Gun Drones

3 Stealth Suits 150
3 dc, 1 fb, tl, hv bsf
5 Gun Drones

1 Crisis Suit 97
PR, FB, MT TL HW DC
2 Shield Drones

Total 397

Noone said no 2+ cover saves :p There are probably more powerful choices I can make, the BSF are 8 points a piece as that's all TL is being used for but I think stealth suits should have BSF and I want to deny night fight cover saves, otherwise things might get fair :p


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dorantana wrote:9 war walkers w/ SL

Err 9 war walkers = 270
9 SL = 135 = 405
each WW needs 2 weapon systems - cheapest is SC is another 45 - that's 450.

8 WW with SL/SC is 400 if that helps. Or am I missing something?

Twin SL you can't even get 6

Scarabs x 3
Scarabs x 3
Tomb Blade x 5 (particle Beamers)

Spyder x 3

Blades take out longfangs etc, spyders farm scarabs to take out armor and tarpit.

Not sure what I'd do about the 2 russ list.'

Alternately:
10 x Gauss Immortal
10 x Gauss Immortal
4x Scarabs

The gauss immortals are good against damn near anything, except dedicated CC, the Scarabs slow them down.

Sethorly wrote:8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
8 psykers, crusader
7 psykers
7 psykers

400 pts.

4 S10 AP1 Large Blasts (36", Assault).
2 S9 AP1 Large Blasts (36", Assault).

Crusaders protect larger psyker groups by soaking up incoming low volume long range shots.

You'll get around 2 direct hits (or 1" scatter) per turn, ignoring FNP and killing 2 wound models outright (T4 or 5). You'll probably lose one unit to Perils during the game. You'll probably win.

I'm not familiar with this Army, is it Imp Guard?

Zathras wrote:

Trondheim wrote:10 Chaos Terminators
- 2 Reaper auto canoons
- 6 pairs of ligthing claws
- power fist on rest
- Aspirering Champion

1 Defiler

Illegal, no 2+ saves allowed.

As for the list I'd take? 2 full squads of Necron Destroyers, 5 in each, is 400 points exactly. This gives me 10 Jump Infantry with weapons that cut through any armor I might face, the ability to reroll 1's to hit and wound and the ability to get back up after taking wounds through RP.

How dim must the OP be to want to hinder himself? But then again I neevr noticed that rule so I guess it still stands.

The 2+ save and no HQs is the tourny rules, not his own.

and for Chaos?

Maybe 10 Plague Marines w/ a basic Plague Champion (well, i gave him meltabombs, but..), and a Defiler with a basic load out? Gives you a nasty walker, a battle cannon, and some Plague Marines.

walledin wrote:

nolzur wrote:

scotta29 wrote:
and you need to have the tactical squads ten man strong to field any special or heavy weapons

Actually, if we are talking generics, you get the special at 5 models, and the heavy unlocks at 10.

Oh if only this were the case. For codex space marines and blood angels tactical squads require 10 men before you can take any non sarge upgrades.

Ok, this is trhe second mistake I have had to apologize for today, wow, I am blundering all over the place. After rechecking a couple codexes, i found the reason I was confused on this, you are correct, what I was thinking of was my Dark Angels, with 5 marines, I can take a special weapon (flamer, meltagun, plasmagun) if i up the squad, then it becomes a heavy available as well.

Trondheim wrote:

Zathras wrote:
Illegal, no 2+ saves allowed.

How dim must the OP be to want to hinder himself? But then again I neevr noticed that rule so I guess it still stands.

Well, considering it's not the OP that is limiting himself, but the TO that set the rules for the event he is going to, maybe you should read the post before flaming somebody.