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Okay, I thought that I would make a fun list with the Fotress of redemtpion in it and see what I could come up with.

HQ
Librarian w/Null Zone and Avenger - 100
Pedro Cantor - 225

ELITES
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
10 Sternguard w/6 Combi-weapons, Rhino - 315

TROOPS
5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, ML - 155
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

FORTIFICATIONS
Fotress of Redemtion - 225

So the Idea is to hide the Thunderfire Cannons, Scouts, Sternguard, Cantor, and Libby in the Fotress and use the Tacs to go control/contest other objectives.

Should i drop the scouts and a dread for more sternguard?

If you have Sternguard in a Crimson Fists army, you'll want some with Kantor (and probably take objectives with them supported by tactical), and have another sitting in the fortress if it's on an objective (never forget Kantor makes Sternguard scoring!)

The fortress of redemption is 220 base. Also, if you're going to take it, you might as well take the krak missiles for anti MEQ squads.

How much is it for the krak missiles? I dont have my book with me

Unless I'm mistaken, or confused with another character, pedro kantor is 175 points

Okay, i corrected the points (not sure on the FoR though. dont have my book at the moment) and think this list will do pretty good.

HQ
Librarian w/Null Zone and Avenger - 100
Pedro Cantor - 175

ELITES
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
10 Sternguard w/8 Combi-weapons, Power Ax Rhino - 340

TROOPS
5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, ML - 155
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

FORTIFICATIONS
Fotress of Redemtion - 250

Lose those stormtalons and you're in trouble. 3 rhinos runnning around will be glanced out the game easily at this points level.

You have little/no CC prowess and yet you're not exactly pumping out more shots than another decent 2k army could produce. Someone runs a bunch of terminators down your throat (and they can run a lot at 2,5k) and you have no real answers.

Sorry, but 2,500 is for dirty double FOC lists and you've not really made use of this at all. Trim it down to 1995 or so and the list might work.

ruminator wrote:Lose those stormtalons and you're in trouble. 3 rhinos runnning around will be glanced out the game easily at this points level.

You have little/no CC prowess and yet you're not exactly pumping out more shots than another decent 2k army could produce. Someone runs a bunch of terminators down your throat (and they can run a lot at 2,5k) and you have no real answers.

Sorry, but 2,500 is for dirty double FOC lists and you've not really made use of this at all. Trim it down to 1995 or so and the list might work.

See this list looks like it is anti horde, it would brilliant for going against orcs. You are right though AV 2 is a major problem, guess you could make the 8 combi weapons on the Sternguard combi meltas for terminators, just hope they don't have Shields.

The Talons should be fine, I believe the adoption of all Air Force list will be slow,you prolly won't see more than 1-2 flyers at the max maybe 3 if he is fighting Crons or IG.

The FoR is 250 with krakstorm missiles. Just a brilliant upgrade that.

So more ap2? How about this then


HQ
Librarian w/Null Zone, Avenger, TDA - 125

ELITES
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
10 Terminators w/Assault Cannons - 440

TROOPS
5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, ML - 155
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

FORTIFICATIONS
Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250

Marshall Ragnar wrote:So more ap2? How about this then


HQ
Librarian w/Null Zone, Avenger, TDA - 125

ELITES
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
Rifleman Dreadnought - 125
10 Terminators w/Assault Cannons - 440

TROOPS
5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, ML - 155
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/ML, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

FORTIFICATIONS
Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250

Better, terminators are the fashizzle now. Love the Thunderfire cannons btw, stick that sucker up in the tower and have sme fun.

You're points are still screwed up. 10 Termies with 2 Assault cannons are 460 pts.

And you need to mark down what kind of PW your dudes are armed with(same with the libby)

Okay, so i decided to add allies to help with the lack of anti-TEQ. But now im over 50pts. What should I drop?


HQ
Librarian - 100

TROOPS
5 Sniper Scouts w/Telion, ML - 135
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, PW, Rhino - 240
Tactical Squad w/LC, PG, PW, Rhino - 240

FAST ATTACK
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155
Stormtalon w/Typhoons - 155

HEAVY SUPPORT
Thunderfire Cannon - 100
Thunderfire Cannon - 100

BT ALLIES

HQ
Belial w/TH, SS- 130


ELITES
5 Terminators w/2-SS/TH, Cyclone - 235

TROOPS
5 Terminators w/2-SS/TH, Cyclone - 235
5 Terminators w/2-SS/TH, Cyclone - 235

FORTIFICATIONS
Fotress of Redemtion w/Krakstorm- 250

I fixed the points