Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Is Eldrad worth his new 285 points in 6th edition or is it smarter to just bring a fully upgraded farseer with all abilities.

iman506 wrote:Is Eldrad worth his new 285 points in 6th edition or is it smarter to just bring a fully upgraded farseer with all abilities.

Eldrad is a bit about 200 pts in the codex. Generally, I'm staying away from named characters. But it appears that most players here think differently.

iman506 wrote:Is Eldrad worth his new 285 points in 6th edition or is it smarter to just bring a fully upgraded farseer with all abilities.

New 285 points? Why/how has his points cost changed?

And wuestenfux, why you staying aware from named characters?

I think the last time I worked it out he was about 10-20 points more than a completely kitted out Farseer. Which added his invul, third power, 2+ in melee (he shouldn't use it, but it's there. ) and the ability to use the same power twice. Which is sort of why you saw him a lot, he was good value and Farseers were nice investments. I'm not 100% sure of how it is now in 6th, but it should be more or less the same.

n0t_u wrote:I think the last time I worked it out he was about 10-20 points more than a completely kitted out Farseer. Which added his invul, third power, 2+ in melee (he shouldn't use it, but it's there. ) and the ability to use the same power twice. Which is sort of why you saw him a lot, he was good value and Farseers were nice investments. I'm not 100% sure of how it is now in 6th, but it should be more or less the same.

Actually, when you take into account the 5 powers and extra goodies, he is 5pts CHEAPER than a Farseer with the same things. So you are getting his staff, extra rune armour and all of his abilities for -5pts.

Iranna.

iman506 wrote:Is Eldrad worth his new 285 points in 6th edition or is it smarter to just bring a fully upgraded farseer with all abilities.

he is not 285 he is 210 pts. For how good he is I would say he is still a steal at 285. I would pay 310 for all his nice stuff.

Is he worth it for battle brother armies as an allied force?

God yes, for the psyker defense alone he is good, combined with his ability to get great psychic powers.

two x super guided(div primaris) ravagers with disintigraters, just throwing it out there. As well as someone else getting something

Absolutely. I play against Eldrad constantly and I just want to wring his little neck out. Shuts down enemy psykers, wounds on a 2+ with no armour save, has a 3+ invul, can cast 3 powers a turn, and can redeploy D3 units.

I can see him becoming a very popular ally choice with psykers becoming more popular in this edition.

What are you babbling about?

rodgers37 wrote:

iman506 wrote:Is Eldrad worth his new 285 points in 6th edition or is it smarter to just bring a fully upgraded farseer with all abilities.

New 285 points? Why/how has his points cost changed?

And wuestenfux, why you staying aware from named characters?

Well, at the GT Heat 1 in 2008, the top 7 players were 5 Eldar, 1 Orks, and 1 CSM. I was the only among the Eldar players in the top 7 not fielding Eldrad. Some players that got pissed off by Eldrad said that I did an excellent job without him. This was the key event not to use such characters.

A lot of people still seem to be under the impression that RoW doesn't affect your main detachment if you take Eldrad as an allied HQ, which is only the case if he's taken with a Tau or Dark Eldar army. Everyone else treats their Eldar contingent as enemy units according to pg 112 BRB.

Personally, running my Eldar armies, I always take him. I get the most bang for my points, I like the model, and I like the character. His staff still lets you cast a power a second time, even if he's only a measly level 3 psyker (Eldrad's totally a 4. Definitely).

TheHarleqwin wrote:A lot of people still seem to be under the impression that RoW doesn't affect your main detachment if you take Eldrad as an allied HQ, which is only the case if he's taken with a Tau or Dark Eldar army. Everyone else treats their Eldar contingent as enemy units according to pg 112 BRB.
.

and if DE or Tau take him, it wouldnt effect them anyway as they have no psykers.



Well none capable of casting powers(Quins shadowseer has a passive power.)

Maybe Eldrad isn't worth a new 285 points. I haven't got 6th codex yet but a friend told me his pointage was upped the friend might be wrong

There's no 6th edition codex. Only the FAQS only GW website.

(Edit) Well there will be some day but not at the time this was posted

iman506 wrote:Maybe Eldrad isn't worth a new 285 points. I haven't got 6th codex yet but a friend told me his pointage was upped the friend might be wrong

Tell your friend to stop lying to you and grow up.

DarknessEternal wrote:

iman506 wrote:Maybe Eldrad isn't worth a new 285 points. I haven't got 6th codex yet but a friend told me his pointage was upped the friend might be wrong

Tell your friend to stop lying to you and grow up.

Better yet tell him to prove it to you, and watch him scramble for a resource.

His points cost may be upped for the new Codex, but until then he's still 210 points. There are FAQs and errata for different units, weapons, wargear and rules, but points costs for units weren't changed when 6E dropped.

StoneRaizer wrote:His points cost may be upped for the new Codex, but until then he's still 210 points. There are FAQs and errata for different units, weapons, wargear and rules, but points costs for units weren't changed when 6E dropped.

Indeed. It looks like they spent a whopping 45 seconds doing the 6th Ed FAQ for Eldar.

Falconlance wrote:

StoneRaizer wrote:His points cost may be upped for the new Codex, but until then he's still 210 points. There are FAQs and errata for different units, weapons, wargear and rules, but points costs for units weren't changed when 6E dropped.

Indeed. It looks like they spent a whopping 45 seconds doing the 6th Ed FAQ for Eldar.

Ha! Have you seen the Dark Eldar one? They change the Torment Grenade Launcher in the Errata section and then replace that exact errata in the Amendment section. And they "forgot" Dark Eldar have the exact same Harlequins entry as Eldar, but do not amend it like they did the Eldar one (not complaining on that one though).

Falconlance wrote:
Indeed. It looks like they spent a whopping 45 seconds doing the 6th Ed FAQ for Eldar.

and then they spent 15 seconds on the DE 6th FAQ probably while reheating some bean burritos.

The problem with using him in an ally force, is that only Doom really synergizes well with your non-ally units. Everything else specifically mentions Eldar units getting the benifit.

Additionally, unless you're Battle Brothers, Warding Stones are still going to screw up your own army if you've got psykers - since Allies of Convenience are treated as Enemy forces you can't assault, attack, target, etc.

As such, just nabbing a Farseer and Pathfinders may be better, since you can tune what goes in, what stays out, etc.

Kharrak wrote:The problem with using him in an ally force, is that only Doom really synergizes well with your non-ally units. Everything else specifically mentions Eldar units getting the benifit.

Additionally, unless you're Battle Brothers, Warding Stones are still going to screw up your own army if you've got psykers - since Allies of Convenience are treated as Enemy forces you can't assault, attack, target, etc.

As such, just nabbing a Farseer and Pathfinders may be better, since you can tune what goes in, what stays out, etc.

he can take rulebook powers, and is still good with those for 210 points.
DE and Tau(battle brothers) dont have psykers, so it matters not to them

If you choose to give Eldrad rulebook powers, keep in mind that unlike Eldar powers, he needs line of sight to cast these; In my last game I had a dark eldar opponent with an allied Eldrad hiding in a wave serpent and throwing around divination powers... until about turn 3 when we remembered that the BRB powers need line of sight , and wave serpents have no fire points to draw sight from.