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On p72 we read that vehicle gun's line of sight is measured from it's mounting along gun's barrel.
How does this work with SoB Exorcist? It's "Gun barrels" are hull-fixed and point upwards. Rulebook says that hull-mounted weapons can swivel up to 45 degrees. Does this all mean that Exorcists can now only shoot at flyers right above them?

Ratliker wrote:On p72 we read that vehicle gun's line of sight is measured from it's mounting along gun's barrel.
How does this work with SoB Exorcist? It's "Gun barrels" are hull-fixed and point upwards. Rulebook says that hull-mounted weapons can swivel up to 45 degrees. Does this all mean that Exorcists can now only shoot at flyers right above them?

RAW yea that is about right.

HIWPI: I would consider the Missile launcher a Hull mounted weapon pointing directly forward, and use the 45 degree arc from the center of the Missile launcher.

But YMMV.

The exorcist official model has been broken since they released it. I do one of two things when playing the exorcist:

1) Ask my opponent to allow me to use the gunner turret for LOS purposes.
2) If they refuse, I lay the 'gun barrels' on their front so they point straight forward. (I didn't glue the organ to the back for ease of transport.)

But RAW, yeah, they can only hit things above them.

Though there isn't any basis in RAW for how we play it, it's actually worked fairly well, and exorcist players tend to accept it in the pregame since it doesn't hurt them. Rather than using the "along the barrel" for determining line of sight purposes you can use any of the pipes in the organ to draw line of sight from, so long as it passes through the sister that sits up front playing it. It gives about a 120 degree arc of fire, and allows it fire forward without being bothered by the along the barrel reference. If you're looking for a strictly raw way to play it I think you got one interpretation. Another interpretation is that it is unable to fire, as it does not have a weapon barrel per se.

No, I think the organ pipes are intended to be the barrels.

Are they? It can be argued that they aren't, that there is no real weapon on there, just a rhino with an organ on top. I know what you're saying, but the problem is it's a possible interpretation of the rules. Would I ever play that way? Nope, but I'm sure there is someone out there that would try to play that way.

You can argue anything, but it is pretty clear that the servitor is loading a missile, which goes into the tubes on the organ.

Lone Dragoon wrote:Rather than using the "along the barrel" for determining line of sight purposes you can use any of the pipes in the organ to draw line of sight from, so long as it passes through the sister that sits up front playing it. It gives about a 120 degree arc of fire, and allows it fire forward without being bothered by the along the barrel reference.

I know this is all old rules, but wasn't the Exorcist FAQ'd in the previous editions to have a 360 deg field of fire? I've played it like that for about 10 years now.

I don't remember a FAQ for that... I'll have to dig through my old ones.


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Oh yeah, from the Witchhunters FAQ:
Q. What is the arc-of-sight of the Immolator and
Exorcists’ main weapons?
A. Consider the main weapons on both as turret
mounted.


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Doesn't help with LOS down the barrel, but gives it a 360.

pretre wrote:I don't remember a FAQ for that... I'll have to dig through my old ones.


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Oh yeah, from the Witchhunters FAQ:
Q. What is the arc-of-sight of the Immolator and
Exorcists’ main weapons?
A. Consider the main weapons on both as turret
mounted.


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Doesn't help with LOS down the barrel, but gives it a 360.

It does if you use a non-standard Exorcist model.

EML?


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Amerikon wrote:It does if you use a non-standard Exorcist model.

Yeah, I ran converted Exorcists from 3rd until about 6 months ago that worked great. I finally broke down and traded for the new ones and love them, even if there are LOS issues.

pretre wrote:EML?

I wrote my response before I noticed that you had edited yours to add the FAQ quote.
EML is "Exorcist Missile Launcher". I was looking for the rules for it in the WD list because I thought it was stated as being "turret mounted". That could be from the old CA list or just something I made up after reading the Witch Hunters FAQ.

Funny enough, the EML has no rules in the WD list from what I can tell.

Ha! Ninja edit.

Yeah, the EML only has a stat line in the WD Dex. hehehe.

I loved the old C: Chapter Approved list.