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With all the rabid frothing partisan divide and the extreme right dominating the Republican Party, I am happy to say, well done Mr McCain. Thank you for standing up and talking sense.
McCain defends Huma Abedin over Brotherhood charge
John McCain lashed out against Michele Bachmann and other republican lawmakers after they claimed Huma Abedin is conspiring with the Muslim Brotherhood. McCain called the accusations “an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman”.
Republican Senator John McCain leapt across the political aisle to defend a top aide to Democrat Hillary Clinton who has been accused of conspiring with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.
McCain railed against accusations from five lawmakers in his own party, including former presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, that Huma Abedin is somehow part of a Brotherhood conspiracy to influence US foreign policy.
Abedin, who is in her mid-30s, is a long-time aide of Secretary of State Clinton who has traveled around the world with her and acted as her chief of staff during her losing 2008 run for the White House.
McCain's intervention, delivered on the floor of the Senate, was startling as it came against the backdrop of stark polarization in America's bitter politics, with the rival camps in Washington gearing up for November elections.
"Rarely do I come to the floor of this institution to discuss particular individuals," McCain said to open his remarks.
"But I understand how painful and injurious it is when a person's character, reputation, and patriotism are attacked without concern for fact or fairness. It is for that reason that I rise today to speak in defense of Huma Abedin."
McCain said he had come to know Abedin over many years as a devoted public servant whose "decency, warmth, and good humor" shone through as she "devoted countless days of her life to advancing the ideals of the nation she loves."
Abedin, a Muslim, was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1976 but moved with her family to Saudi Arabia when she was two. Her father was born in India under British rule and her mother is Pakistani.
"Put simply, Huma represents what is best about America: the daughter of immigrants, who has risen to the highest levels of our government on the basis of her substantial personal merit," McCain said.
"Recently, it has been alleged that Huma, a Muslim American, is part of a nefarious conspiracy to harm the United States by unduly influencing US foreign policy at the Department of State in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist causes," he said.
Five members of Congress, including Minnesota congresswoman Bachmann, wrote a letter to the deputy inspector general of the State Department alleging the conspiracy and demanding a probe.
"These allegations about Huma, and the report from which they are drawn, are nothing less than an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman, a dedicated American, and a loyal public servant," McCain said.
He went on to shoot down the accusations, explaining that one member of Abedin's family alleged to be part the conspiracy, her father, had actually passed away two decades ago.
"These sinister accusations rest solely on a few unspecified and unsubstantiated associations of members of Huma's family, none of which have been shown to harm or threaten the United States in any way," McCain said.
"These attacks on Huma have no logic, no basis, and no merit. And they need to stop now."
Abedin came under the spotlight last year when her husband, New York congressman Anthony Weiner, resigned after sending lewd online messages and photographs on his cell phone and then lying about it.
"The Secretary (Clinton) very much values her wise counsel and support, and we think that these allegations are preposterous," said a statement from the State Department following McCain's speech.
The United States voiced caution last month after the Brotherhood's Mohamed Morsi was crowned Egypt's new president, urging the Islamist leader to respect the rights of women and keep the peace with Israel.
The Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamist political movement founded in Egypt in 1928 and a staunch opponent of several Middle East governments that enjoyed US backing, notably Israel and the formerly secular regimes in Egypt and Tunisia.
Over here I think he's mostly either known as a chip brand or the guy who was mercilessly mocked on Mock the Week.
This shows he has good character, I approve.
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I'm actually a fan of neither McCain or Googly Eyes, although I agree with McCain on a few issues.
Its unfortunate that Bachmann and her Tea Party goons needed to jump on the soapbox about bulljive conspiracy theories and start this whole mess, because its drowned out the fact that the FBI thoroughly botched the investigation into the Fort Hood shooter. They knew the dude was in direct comms with the now thankfully deceased Anwar Alwaki and didn't follow the lead further.
13 dead soldiers and almost 3 dozen wounded because a little extra effort wasn't taken, either because of political correctness (as some have implied) or gross negligence.
Nope, lets not talk about that, lets talk about a westernized muslim woman who is the mother to her Jewish husbands baby. Fun fact: Huma Abedin would probably be killed by the people Bachmann says she's in cahoots with because of that last sentence.
If they can drop the ball on something as obvious as that, how many other terrorizers slipped through the cracks?
I bet if I was in direct contact with a prolific weed grower and asked for gardening advice, SWAT would bust through my windows and tear my place apart looking for silly cigarettes and assorted accessories. Damn this country pisses me off sometimes.
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He went on to shoot down the accusations, explaining that one member of Abedin's family alleged to be part the conspiracy, her father, had actually passed away two decades ago.
Ah, never let the truth get in the way of partisanship, eh Republican party?
To be honest, if McCain had stuck with being himself during his presidential campaign and not tried to be Bush the Third, I'd have voted for him instead of Obama. I rather liked him before that campaign.
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I really liked McCain in 2000. Too bad the GW camp smeared him during the Republican who's prettiest campaign by going after his rock solid military time. He would have been pretty decent choice over GW in my opinion. His second run was a circus, I am sure it is one of his biggest regrets. If one thing does stand out about the guy it is his character, the man is a rock and totally respectable.
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Something that amused me is that Obama gave more respect to McCain's military record than the Republicans did...
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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Hey I think we are all way ahead of you here mate.
I had missus Matty, a full on democrat, all ready to vote McCain instead of Obama in 2008...
And then he picked Palin as VP... :(
Needless to say, he didn't get a tick in the box from her, and about another 50 million Americans.
The bloke was offered early release from captivity and didn't take it because they refused to release the rest of his team. He spend fething years as a POW as a result of that decision.
He is a stand up guy and a gentleman, and I respect him immensely, despite disagreeing with some of his political opinions.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
With all the rabid frothing partisan divide and the extreme right dominating the Republican Party, I am happy to say, well done Mr McCain. Thank you for standing up and talking sense.
McCain defends Huma Abedin over Brotherhood charge
John McCain lashed out against Michele Bachmann and other republican lawmakers after they claimed Huma Abedin is conspiring with the Muslim Brotherhood. McCain called the accusations “an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman”.
Republican Senator John McCain leapt across the political aisle to defend a top aide to Democrat Hillary Clinton who has been accused of conspiring with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood.
McCain railed against accusations from five lawmakers in his own party, including former presidential candidate Michele Bachmann, that Huma Abedin is somehow part of a Brotherhood conspiracy to influence US foreign policy.
Abedin, who is in her mid-30s, is a long-time aide of Secretary of State Clinton who has traveled around the world with her and acted as her chief of staff during her losing 2008 run for the White House.
McCain's intervention, delivered on the floor of the Senate, was startling as it came against the backdrop of stark polarization in America's bitter politics, with the rival camps in Washington gearing up for November elections.
"Rarely do I come to the floor of this institution to discuss particular individuals," McCain said to open his remarks.
"But I understand how painful and injurious it is when a person's character, reputation, and patriotism are attacked without concern for fact or fairness. It is for that reason that I rise today to speak in defense of Huma Abedin."
McCain said he had come to know Abedin over many years as a devoted public servant whose "decency, warmth, and good humor" shone through as she "devoted countless days of her life to advancing the ideals of the nation she loves."
Abedin, a Muslim, was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan in 1976 but moved with her family to Saudi Arabia when she was two. Her father was born in India under British rule and her mother is Pakistani.
"Put simply, Huma represents what is best about America: the daughter of immigrants, who has risen to the highest levels of our government on the basis of her substantial personal merit," McCain said.
"Recently, it has been alleged that Huma, a Muslim American, is part of a nefarious conspiracy to harm the United States by unduly influencing US foreign policy at the Department of State in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamist causes," he said.
Five members of Congress, including Minnesota congresswoman Bachmann, wrote a letter to the deputy inspector general of the State Department alleging the conspiracy and demanding a probe.
"These allegations about Huma, and the report from which they are drawn, are nothing less than an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman, a dedicated American, and a loyal public servant," McCain said.
He went on to shoot down the accusations, explaining that one member of Abedin's family alleged to be part the conspiracy, her father, had actually passed away two decades ago.
"These sinister accusations rest solely on a few unspecified and unsubstantiated associations of members of Huma's family, none of which have been shown to harm or threaten the United States in any way," McCain said.
"These attacks on Huma have no logic, no basis, and no merit. And they need to stop now."
Abedin came under the spotlight last year when her husband, New York congressman Anthony Weiner, resigned after sending lewd online messages and photographs on his cell phone and then lying about it.
"The Secretary (Clinton) very much values her wise counsel and support, and we think that these allegations are preposterous," said a statement from the State Department following McCain's speech.
The United States voiced caution last month after the Brotherhood's Mohamed Morsi was crowned Egypt's new president, urging the Islamist leader to respect the rights of women and keep the peace with Israel.
The Muslim Brotherhood is an Islamist political movement founded in Egypt in 1928 and a staunch opponent of several Middle East governments that enjoyed US backing, notably Israel and the formerly secular regimes in Egypt and Tunisia.
He's like Luke Skywalker fighting his way through the Death Star!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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...Except that Luke Skywalker didn't work at the Death Star.
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Michele Bachmann does something racist and idiotic? Shocking?
An elected Republican actually calls her out on it? Genuinely surprising; which is probably the saddest observation I'll make today.
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J-Roc77 wrote:I really liked McCain in 2000. Too bad the GW camp smeared him during the Republican who's prettiest campaign by going after his rock solid military time. He would have been pretty decent choice over GW in my opinion. His second run was a circus, I am sure it is one of his biggest regrets. If one thing does stand out about the guy it is his character, the man is a rock and totally respectable.
Agreed on all counts.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Cant we put him in a 40k style rejuvenation vat and get him to run again instead of that walking fething toilet Romney?
Obama is clearly beatable, and he wont be, because even people who aren't so keen on him like me, and going to gleefully vote for him instead of that horrible Mormon vampire.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
mattyrm wrote:Cant we put him in a 40k style rejuvenation vat and get him to run again instead of that walking fething toilet Romney?
Obama is clearly beatable, and he wont be, because even people who aren't so keen on him like me, and going to gleefully vote for him instead of that horrible Mormon vampire.
You have a point. This time calls for titans, and what do we get? Pigmies, the lot of them, none fit to hold the boots of great men.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
J-Roc77 wrote:I really liked McCain in 2000. Too bad the GW camp smeared him during the Republican who's prettiest campaign by going after his rock solid military time. He would have been pretty decent choice over GW in my opinion. His second run was a circus, I am sure it is one of his biggest regrets. If one thing does stand out about the guy it is his character, the man is a rock and totally respectable.
But not conservative enough for some elements of the GOP, who view him as a RINO.
Albatross wrote:Yeah, I'd vote for McCain over Obama, like.
Definitely. My missus has always voted dem, but she was happy to go with McCain after Hilary lost to Obama. She loves her for some reason, but I could see why, Obama was way more happy telling total BS on the trail than Hilary was. I made my mind up about that when asked about Afghanistan and Hilary said "I will obviously have to ask the military experts for a sensible timeline" and Obama just said "I will get every soldier home! Yeah!"
McCain had it in the bag until Palin showed up, I would rather have Trig as VP than his mom.
Anyway, then she voted for an independent and I guarantee tens of millions of Americans did the exact same.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
He went on to shoot down the accusations, explaining that one member of Abedin's family alleged to be part the conspiracy, her father, had actually passed away two decades ago.
Ah, never let the truth get in the way of partisanship, eh Republican party?
To be honest, if McCain had stuck with being himself during his presidential campaign and not tried to be Bush the Third, I'd have voted for him instead of Obama. I rather liked him before that campaign.
My two candidates in 2008 were McCain on the Republican side, and Obama on the Democratic side. I like McCain a lot, but it seems that his campaign took over when he won the nomination and the political machine changed his message and maybe himself. I did not recognize the McCain I liked during the primaries once his nomination was sealed.
And then, when he gave his concession speech, it was almost as if the McCain that disappeared during the election suddenly showed up again. He looked physically in pain when he said Obama's name and everybody started to boo.
Albatross wrote:Yeah, I'd vote for McCain over Obama, like.
Definitely. My missus has always voted dem, but she was happy to go with McCain after Hilary lost to Obama. She loves her for some reason, but I could see why, Obama was way more happy telling total BS on the trail than Hilary was. I made my mind up about that when asked about Afghanistan and Hilary said "I will obviously have to ask the military experts for a sensible timeline" and Obama just said "I will get every soldier home! Yeah!"
McCain had it in the bag until Palin showed up, I would rather have Trig as VP than his mom.
Anyway, then she voted for an independent and I guarantee tens of millions of Americans did the exact same.
No he was substantially behind in the polls at that time. Zombie Reagan would have lost at that point against Any Candidate (D).
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I also supported him in 2000 over GWB, but it wasn't meant to be. Unfortunately, he just didn't seem to me to be the same man in 2008. I don't know if that makes any sense.
I also supported him in 2000 over GWB, but it wasn't meant to be. Unfortunately, he just didn't seem to me to be the same man in 2008. I don't know if that makes any sense.
It does. I felt the same. Didn't he have a bought with cancer in the interim?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I also supported him in 2000 over GWB, but it wasn't meant to be. Unfortunately, he just didn't seem to me to be the same man in 2008. I don't know if that makes any sense.
Again, it's because elements of his party weren't firmly in his camp before Palin signed on. His actions to appease the right cost him with moderates. That's the downside of being a moderate/maverick in one's party. The GOP used to be a more moderate place, but McCain is one of the few moderate voices left. It's really an upset he even got the nomination.
Overall I think McCain is probably a good man, but when the chips were down, he sold out to win just like any other politician. That's how politics works, but at the same time I think we need to be careful not to lionize him too much.
McCain used to be a reasonable and OK guy. I would have voted for him in 2000, I didn't like Gore very much. Unfortunately he was pretty bitter after how he lost (not with the fact he lost) and went a little too far to the right. I think he was willing to abandon his own value system to win, and that was a mistake - not only did he compromise his honor but I don't think any Republican could have won in 2008, Bush just polluted the brand too intensely.... in my opinion Bush actually beat him twice. And no, Palin didn't help.
It's nice to see flashes of the old McCain.
Also, Michelle Bachmann is a terrible, terrible person and a continuous, ongoing embarrassment to America.
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Did anyone else see the HBO movie about the 2004 election? It essentially was the story of how a well respected, well liked, honorable man was injured by bringing Palin onto the campaign. Not only did it hurt his campaign, it also tainted him by association, which was a bit foreshadowed. It wasn't a great film by any stretch, but it wasn't terrible either. It is worth it for Julianne Moore's portrayal of Sarah Palin if nothing.
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