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I'm having trouble finding in the book where it specifies if you can or can not Overwatch from a vehicle.
Help?

No over watch allowed for vehicles but it's been shown to me that the passengers can fire out of fire points. Although template weapons get only a d3 hit.

Yes, units in a transport can Overwatch from a vehicle just not the vehicle itself. It should under the transport section in the BRB

Page 80. First Paragraph top left of the page.

Then why is everyone talking about Burna wagons being un-assaultable? Page reference please?

MJThurston wrote:So you think the unit attached to a vehicle can shoot at units assaulting it?

Time for everyone to start putting 30 orks in an open topped vehicle.

No over watch allowed and vehicles can't even get overwatch for themselves. It's under the Vehicle section in the book.

Wrong, page 80 tells us that if a transport vehicle is assaulted, an embarked unit can fire overwatch at the attackers out of its fire points.

matphat wrote:Then why is everyone talking about Burna wagons being un-assaultable? Page reference please?

I edited my post. Page 80 top left of the page.

If a transport vehicle is assaulted, an embarked unit can fire overwatch at the attackers out of its fire points.

Ah thanks Lone!
So, that means that 20 Boyz in a wagon, with two big shootas gets 42 Overwatch shots from any angle they are assaulted from. Love it.

disregard

Love the broken open topped vehicle rules.

MJThurston wrote:Love the broken open topped vehicle rules.

What exactly is broken?
Snap shots is hardly overpowing. And vehicles are a lot more vulnerable in assault.

Snap shots with 15 burna boyz, on the other hand....

nosferatu1001 wrote:Snap shots with 15 burna boyz, on the other hand....

Wall of Death. And in the case of 15 Burna Boys its 15 D3 Burner autohits it lives up to its name.

grendel083 wrote:

MJThurston wrote:Love the broken open topped vehicle rules.

What exactly is broken?
Snap shots is hardly overpowing. And vehicles are a lot more vulnerable in assault.

"I don't like how rule A and rule B interacts, because my army can't take advantage of it. Therefore, it is broken. Also, I failed Probability in high school."
- EVERY 40K PLAYER EVER

matphat wrote:Then why is everyone talking about Burna wagons being un-assaultable? Page reference please?

For the same reason that Burna boys are 'unassaultable.' Overwatch from all those flamers results in a whole lot of hits on anything running at them.

How often are people assaulting your burnawagon? Round these parts when a burnawagon is on the table people just back up and shoot it.

Ostrakon wrote:"I don't like how rule A and rule B interacts, because my army can't take advantage of it. Therefore, it is broken. Also, I failed Probability in high school."
- EVERY 40K PLAYER EVER

Hey that's not true. Even though I don't benefit from the interaction of Rules A and B I don't think it is broken. Now Rules A and C on the other hand...Dang Tau are so OP'd now... Oh and the odds of every 40K player ever failing Probability in high school is approx. 725 to 1. Though my Farseer has been known to be wrong...from time to time.

A burnawagon is not "unassaultable" it's "if you think assaulting it is a good idea then I have a very nice bridge I'd like to sell you..."

alienvalentine wrote:A burnawagon is not "unassaultable" it's "if you think assaulting it is a good idea then I have a very nice bridge I'd like to sell you..."

Before purchasing said bridge, I'm going to need to know location, specs, building materials, etc.

Ostrakon wrote:

grendel083 wrote:

MJThurston wrote:Love the broken open topped vehicle rules.

What exactly is broken?
Snap shots is hardly overpowing. And vehicles are a lot more vulnerable in assault.

"I don't like how rule A and rule B interacts, because my army can't take advantage of it. Therefore, it is broken. Also, I failed Probability in high school."
- EVERY 40K PLAYER EVER

My high school only offered statistics and analysis, not probability, damn public schools.

Hey Monkeys what am I missing here? I am having trouble following the conversation here. Can anyone fill me in please?

1. Why is a unit of burna boyz un-assaultable? Burnas are template weapons and on page 52 it states that template weapons cannot fire snap shots...

2. Where is this D3 hits per burna comming from?

Prophet40k wrote:Hey Monkeys what am I missing here? I am having trouble following the conversation here. Can anyone fill me in please?

1. Why is a unit of burna boyz un-assaultable? Burnas are template weapons and on page 52 it states that template weapons cannot fire snap shots...

2. Where is this D3 hits per burna comming from?

Overwatch allows template weapons to use Wall of Death - d3 hits per template weapon. No rolling to hit.

Wall of Death, page 52 under Template weapons.

D3 times 15 for full burnas, and that is only if you subscribe to the school of burnas can be used as flamers in the assault phase.

tgf wrote:D3 times 15 for full burnas, and that is only if you subscribe to the school of burnas can be used as flamers in the assault phase.

Its not in the assault phase. Overwatch triggers an out of turn shooting phase. You shoot as normal with the exception of all shots must be snapfire or WoD shots.

However if I am not mistaken if you use the flamers for WoD you can not use them as power weapons in the Fight subphase.

Correct me ifto i'm wrong, but Overwatch does allow D3 hits for burnasin an open top, but you'll have to roll a D3 for each model not D3 x how many models you have.


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Correct me if i'm wrong, but Overwatch does allow D3 hits for burnas in an open top, but you'll have to roll a D3 for each model not D3 x how many models you have.

JonSpencer14 wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, but Overwatch does allow D3 hits for burnas in an open top, but you'll have to roll a D3 for each model not D3 x how many models you have.

It is a D3 for each burner.

Gloomfang wrote:

tgf wrote:D3 times 15 for full burnas, and that is only if you subscribe to the school of burnas can be used as flamers in the assault phase.

Its not in the assault phase. Overwatch triggers an out of turn shooting phase. You shoot as normal with the exception of all shots must be snapfire or WoD shots.

However if I am not mistaken if you use the flamers for WoD you can not use them as power weapons in the Fight subphase.

That is pretty much the way I would play it.

You would get Nd3 hits where N is the number of burna boyz.

That amounts to exactly the same thing...

How about if they are firing from access points? Does that restrict how many burnas or flamers can fire D3?
Is this really more of an advantage for open-topped?