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Prophet40k wrote:Hey Monkeys what am I missing here? I am having trouble following the conversation here. Can anyone fill me in please?

1. Why is a unit of burna boyz un-assaultable? Burnas are template weapons and on page 52 it states that template weapons cannot fire snap shots...

2. Where is this D3 hits per burna comming from?

I hate this. I have no idea why it says templates can't fire snap shots. It should say they can, but with some restrictions (see templates, pg. XX).

matphat wrote:How about if they are firing from access points? Does that restrict how many burnas or flamers can fire D3?
Is this really more of an advantage for open-topped?

One model per firing port. Huge advantage for open topped.

psyklone wrote:I hate this. I have no idea why it says templates can't fire snap shots. It should say they can, but with some restrictions (see templates, pg. XX).

Template weapons cannot fire snap shots, but template weapons can fire overwatch. Remember, just because one rule is true doesn't mean the reverse is true. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All overwatch is snap shots, but not all snap shots are done in overwatch.

You can choose to overwatch any number of your burnas in anthe open top and the others could still use them as power weapons during that assault phase.
Same as access point if 3 only can be used the rest still would be able to use them as power weapons.


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You can choose to overwatch any number of your burnas in the open top and the others could still use them as power weapons during that assault phase.
Same as access point if 3 only can be used the rest still would be able to use them as power weapons.

Wow, I'm so glad I read this thread. I "know" all the rules involved here, but im not sure I would have put it all together before i charged my first burna wagon or trukk.

JonSpencer14 wrote:You can choose to overwatch any number of your burnas in the open top and the others could still use them as power weapons during that assault phase.

As for the underlined:

No they can not, as the Orks are not fighting in that assault phase, as they are embarked.

You should use all of your Burnas when the Trukk is assaulted.

It is not like the unit inside the vehicle can strike blows in the ensuing Trukk Vs. Unit that charged the Trukk combat...

Very true DarkReaper. That would only apply if your burnas were to be assaulted if on foot. My apologies.

Thanks all.

Deleted. Found the rule for Overwatch and that templates will still have to be placed without any friendly models in the way to get the D3 hits.

MJThurston wrote:Deleted. Found the rule for Overwatch and that templates will still have to be placed without any friendly models in the way to get the D3 hits.

What rule? Where does it say you place templates in Overwatch?

The fact that you can't use them as power weapons doesn't really come up with a unit embarked in a transport.
15D3 hits averages 30 hits, 15 wounds and 5 kills vs marines.
The 2nd half of the squad (or the 2nd charging squad) then Kraks that battlewagon.

Genestealers or lighter foes, are very unhappy about the burn wagon.

MJThurston wrote:Deleted. Found the rule for Overwatch and that templates will still have to be placed without any friendly models in the way to get the D3 hits.

No such requirement exists in wall of death. If you have some proof of your assertion, please post them here - but page 52 specifically says you DONT check the lenght of the template.

Correct. Templates are never used when resolving "Wall of Fire" during overwatch. As a matter of fact, you resolve overwatch BEFORE the charging unit even ROLLS for charge distance.
This makes it impossible to use templates in many charge scenarios.