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Can someone give me a page # that explains what units MC's can join or explain it.

Unless they have the independent character rule, or a rule from something else that allows them to (i.e. Tyranid shieldwall), a monstrous creature cannot join a unit.

So does that mean a Daemon Prince cannot have a body guard and just becomes a bullet magnet?

How is that different from before?

It's not.

Some people are just coming back to the game after years away, or starting it for the first time, now that 6th is out.

Unless you have the IC rule, you cannot join another unit.

And ICs cannot join a unit that only consists of one model ever.


Daemon Princes arn't ICs AFAIK so they can't join anybody, nor can they be joined as they are only ever a single model unit.

So what's the solution? Ditch it? For the same points you can have a lascannon predator. Like the model and the idea of the Daemon Prince but really, it suck. Mind you most Chaos forces do.

I don't have the rules for the prince, but check and see if he can take a bodyguard of chaos marines or anything like that. Most likely it would be mentioned somewhere in his Army List entry.
Even if you can't, he can still be quite powerful. Unless he has Eternal Warrior, he can be instant deathed by str 10 attacks, which sucks, but as a monstrous creature he gains lots of nice abilities. Fear, Hammer of Wrath, Move Through Cover, Relentless, and Smash, and he can fire two weapons each turn (which is awesome with his high Ballistic Skill).

No he does'nt get body guard, nor a shooting weapon. He can use a shooting psychic attack, which to be honest is pretty lame.

He has psychic abilities? Check your faq/errata, he most likely has access to other psychic abilities now, which could be nice. Though I must admit, unless he is pretty cheap, it isn't sounding like a good choice.

Nurgle DP, so T6, helps a lot with dropping wounds from him

You can also swap in psychic powers from the rulebook; check out the FAQ. You can get your T increased with some powers.

The other advantage is they are dirt cheap - 140 points for a winged khorne DP, take 2 of them and you have 8 T5 wounds for them to deal with before they start on the other part of your army.

DPs are EW. So the +1 T only affects Str 2-7. Str 2 can't hurt it, Str 3 ubaffected. Str 4 wounds on 6+ rather than 5+, Str 5 on 5+, 6 on 4+ and Str 7 on 3+.

Being wounded on a 3+ from plasma makes a big difference to survivability.

Fair enough. Just saying that +1T from MoN is useless if the only reason for inclusion is to Prevent Str10 ID.

That isnt the reason you put +1T, never has been. You put it on there so bolters dont cut through you quite so easily.

Exactly. You halve the number of wounds dealt to you by S4 attacks from 1/3 to 1/6. And substantially cut the number dealt by S5-7 stuff too.

To the OP, they are not a good choice if you play on tables with no LOS blocking stuff to allow them to hide or reduce the number of weapons which can draw a bead on them at any one time. Of course, a table like that is a bad table, doesn't meet the game's standards for terrain, and will make almost any assault-based army suffer.

I think I'll add a set of wings to make it a flying MC.

JUMP MC. Read the FAQ, and ignore the WD

Adding wing wont make the daemon prince a flying mc, just gives it jump, with mc as its standard type. It will likely be fixed in the next release, but we will see.

lol. Ninja

Yeah, for some reason only the Daemon Codex's Daemon Prince becomes a FMC with Wings

Daemon princes are wonderful... they're only 110 points and they can do a lot of nasty things... they're bullet-magnets of course, but every bullet sent at them is a bullet not sent to something else... And OF COURSE they are Eternal Warriors!!

Btw, if you plan to start a CSM army I'd suggest to wait a little longer, cause, apparently, the ne w codex is arriving in less than a month...

Maybe its for simplicity. It allows the simple FAQ of "A model with wings adds Jump"

Whereas CD can saw models with Daemonic Flight are FMC (which would cover LoC, BT and DP).


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Maybe its for simplicity. It allows the simple FAQ of "A model with wings adds Jump"

Whereas CD can saw models with Daemonic Flight are FMC (which would cover LoC, BT and DP).

Seems silly, especially since they are the same model.

They could have easily said "An Infantry model with Wings becomes Jump Infantry. A MC with Wings becomes a FMC", but no. They had to go the way of derpage.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, for some reason only the Daemon Codex's Daemon Prince becomes a FMC with Wings

They pay an extra 30 points for it, it's not an oversight.