Complex FNP in single-save units

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**Kitzz**

If I have a unit that has a singular save value and mixed FNP numbers (or one model with FNP and others without it)

and the models with different feel no pain numbers are the closest to the enemy

how do I take my FNP rolls? On what number do I take them?

As an example, Brother Corbulo is the closest enemy model while attached to a tactical squad. Every model in the squad has a 3+ save. But Corbulo has a 2+ FNP whilst everyone else has a 5+ FNP.

What happens?

**DeathReaper**

You take them on whatever FNP that particular model has.

So in the case of Corbulo, you roll his 3+ armor save, as he is the closest. If he fails his armour save then roll his 2+ FNP, if this fails he takes a wound.

Rinse and repeat until Corbolo is dead, then move on to the next closest model as normal.

P.S. where are you getting guys with a 4+ FNP roll, I want a unit like that in my Blood Angels...

**Kitzz**

sorry, need to work on my "edition"

Also, can you quote rules for me? I have a feeling this is stickier than it looks on the surface.

**DeathReaper**

The Allocate Wounds & Remove Casualties on P.15 is what you are looking for.

This describes how units in 6th ed suffer wounds.

Basically wounds are applied to the closest model, and saves are rolled for that model until it dies, then, if there are any wounds left over, the next closest takes those until it dies, and you repeat the process.

**nosferatu1001**

You are told to take saves by that model; as you know when the different model is reached take a different save at this point*

It isnt tricky at all

* I know FNP isnt a save, thsi is short hand

**juraigamer**

We can't quote rules from the book.

As for FNP, it's a special rule, not a save. You deal with your save, then FNP, then if you can look out sir you do it for that unit of power armor.

**nosferatu1001**

Actually you LOS! before, usually - once you have an unsaved wound youre out of luck for LOS!

**Kitzz**

Well you also have to roll FNP before you allocate unsaved wounds, because otherwise FNP does nothing.

**rigeld2**

No, FNP only triggers on unsaved wounds, so you have to allocate before rolling it.

**Kitzz**

Ok good, but we can't allocate wounds unless they're unsaved.

**coredump**

Not true:

Do this for each group of wounds in the wound pool

All saves the same: Roll all saves, Allocate Unsaved Wound, LOS or not, roll FnP (If all models have the same FnP, you can roll all FnP when you roll the saves)

Mixed saves: Allocate Wound, LOS or not, roll saves, roll FnP...

The key is that LOS triggers immediately on the *allocation*.

**Super Ready**

Kitzz wrote:Ok good, but we can't allocate wounds unless they're unsaved.

That's exactly the point - FNP ISN'T a save, it's an extra roll. So you:

1) take the armour/invulnerable/cover save
2) roll for LOS if necessary
3) allocate the wound
4) roll for FNP

I'm not sure on whether 3 and 4 are the right way round. I'm hoping that my memory is correct in telling me that you roll for FNP after an unsaved wound is "suffered", which would be after allocating it.

**Kommissar Kel**

Super Ready wrote:
Kitzz wrote:Ok good, but we can't allocate wounds unless they're unsaved.

That's exactly the point - FNP ISN'T a save, it's an extra roll. So you:

1) take the armour/invulnerable/cover save
2) roll for LOS if necessary
3) allocate the wound
4) roll for FNP

I'm not sure on whether 3 and 4 are the right way round. I'm hoping that my memory is correct in telling me that you roll for FNP after an unsaved wound is "suffered", which would be after allocating it.

This sequence is only correct most of the Time, in Mixed Saves(armour, Cover, or Invulnerable), you do wound allocation before Saves are taken.

The correct sequence is as Coredump wrote.

**Super Ready**

Yes, sorry, should have specified. I was only providing for the Corbulo example given.