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So, if a codex says that a weapon is a power weapon, that doesn't allow armor saves, is it AP1? I think BRB overrides this as the codex is out of date. So when a codex now states that it's a power weapon and doesn't allow armor saves, we ignore the "doesn't allow..." part and replace it with "is as described in the BRB. Right? Wrong? And why if wrong?

Description for power weapons on pg. 61 of the BRB.

I'm at work at the moment so don't have my books with me, but if I'm remembering correctly if a power weapon isn't covered in the rulebook does it not count as an unusual power weapon that follows the rules in the relevant codex and is ap3?

If anything it'd be AP2.

Can you give a specific piece of gear so we can discuss actual wording instead of a paraphrased one?

WOW. rideld2, just make up a number or read the BRB!

Power Weapons have a few values.

Power Sword AP3
Power Axe Str +1, AP2, strikes at Init 1
Power Maul Str +2, AP4, strikes at Init 1

If a weapon says it's a Power Weapon then look at what it is with the chart above.

If it has any other bonus/power then it is an Unusual Power Weapon which is always AP3 plus the bonuses.

So in the Chaos Codex a Deamon Weapon would be AP 3 plus all it's special bonus's and abilities.

you might also check the FAQ for any older Codex that might describe that the weapon ignores armour.

for characters like Lelith who ignore armour altogether her melee attacks are AP- and her grenades are AP4 but they ignore armour. being AP 2/1 would only have an effect against Vehicles.

I'm trying to find an entry on power weapons from any of my codexes that states a power weapon doesn't allow armor saves. So far all of them (eldar, Dark eldar, CSM, BA) have referred to the BRB (of the 5th edition). One person from our upcoming tournament is hung up on the wording from somewhere that if the codex description states that the weapon doesn't allow any armor saves it doesn't.

For unusual weapons (like Eldrads Staff of ulthamar pg 51 of the eldar codex) it reads that the weapon wounds on a 2+ and ignores armor saves. Then again it's not a power weapon. That's the only example i have found so far.

IIRC in the core rulebook it says that if a codex states that a weapon ignore armor saves you should treat it as an AP3 weapon...



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urhhhmmm.... I'm double-checking and I cannot find it so it's entirely possible that I imagined the whole thing....

masquerade81 wrote:So, if a codex says that a weapon is a power weapon, that doesn't allow armor saves, is it AP1? I think BRB overrides this as the codex is out of date. So when a codex now states that it's a power weapon and doesn't allow armor saves, we ignore the "doesn't allow..." part and replace it with "is as described in the BRB. Right? Wrong? And why if wrong?

Description for power weapons on pg. 61 of the BRB.

If the codex says a weapon is AP1, then it would over-rule the BRB. If the codex doesn't list an AP, then you have to look at the rulebook and FAQ to get the AP.
AP also gives bonuses to damaging vehicles, so you can't simply claim AP1 or AP2.

-Matt

If a weapon says it ignores armour saves, it ignores armour saves, simple as that. If it says its a power weapon that ignores armour saves, then thats what it is.

Technically this would mean that anyone with a staff that is worded as such gets +2 strength AND ignores armour saves. Dayumm!

Ignoring armour saves, like lilith and a few others, means just that. It has no AP value.


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Bobug wrote:If a weapon says it ignores armour saves, it ignores armour saves, simple as that. If it says its a power weapon that ignores armour saves, then thats what it is.

Technically this would mean that anyone with a staff that is worded as such gets +2 strength AND ignores armour saves. Dayumm!

Nope, that would be an UNUSUAL power weapon, so S: User, Ap3

No, if a power weapon has its own unique rules* it follows them and is AP3. Unusual CCWs follow only their own rules.

That weapon in question is not a power weapon of any kind. Its a CCW that gives +2Str and ignores armor. So you never get armor saves against it(but it is still AP-, it can't be AP2 because that gives +1 on the damage chart)



*Unique special rules mean something unique to that weapon. Not a power weapon that has one or more universal special rules(like Master Crafted)

masquerade81 wrote:I'm trying to find an entry on power weapons from any of my codexes that states a power weapon doesn't allow armor saves. So far all of them (eldar, Dark eldar, CSM, BA) have referred to the BRB (of the 5th edition). One person from our upcoming tournament is hung up on the wording from somewhere that if the codex description states that the weapon doesn't allow any armor saves it doesn't.

For unusual weapons (like Eldrads Staff of ulthamar pg 51 of the eldar codex) it reads that the weapon wounds on a 2+ and ignores armor saves. Then again it's not a power weapon. That's the only example i have found so far.

Lielth with her weapons and 'nid Boneswords come to mind as to what he may be referring too. Neither is actually a power weapon, so you follow there rules as is. They just ignore armor saves and gain nothing against vehicles.

barnowl wrote:

masquerade81 wrote:I'm trying to find an entry on power weapons from any of my codexes that states a power weapon doesn't allow armor saves. So far all of them (eldar, Dark eldar, CSM, BA) have referred to the BRB (of the 5th edition). One person from our upcoming tournament is hung up on the wording from somewhere that if the codex description states that the weapon doesn't allow any armor saves it doesn't.

For unusual weapons (like Eldrads Staff of ulthamar pg 51 of the eldar codex) it reads that the weapon wounds on a 2+ and ignores armor saves. Then again it's not a power weapon. That's the only example i have found so far.

Lielth with her weapons and 'nid Boneswords come to mind as to what he may be referring too. Neither is actually a power weapon, so you follow there rules as is. They just ignore armor saves and gain nothing against vehicles.

Yeah, we came to the same conclusion after some debate. None of us could actually find any power weapon entries in any codex that says that normal power weapons would not allow armor saves, so the mix up might have been caused by referring to weapons that are not indeed power weapons. Think this thread can be locked now.