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Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

sort of, the was a data sheet for him in apoc that rquired at least 3 blood thirsters to be with him :/

edit, there was an old russ model as well but I dont know if he had rules

Free, downloadable PDF from GW. IIRC he is 500pts, has Bloodthister stats with +1W, Str and T, evenone with 12" -1 Ld and his sword inflicts ID. And he must have between 2 and 12 Chaos Daemon Bloodthirsters as a retinue. Oh, and he is a gargantuan creature.

A few Daemon primarchs were available back in the epic days. Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, Fulgrim. Their models really looked ridiculous/awful.

Were they not for epic though?

Yeah they were meant for Epic, lexicanum still has the mini's up:



Mortarion's is tolerable given that it's epic, Angron and Fulgrim are bad. Magnus....oh my.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

I have seen the Leman Russ model, it's from 1991 I believe. I was actually thinking the same thing about the Primarchs...

How many of them have actual miniatures?

Loyalist:
Leman Russ

Traitor:
Fulgrim
Angron
Mortarion
Magnus

Are there any others?

A small caveat about Leman Russ, his model was put out when he was still merely a 41st Millenium Imperial Commander (When SM's were T3 and only got a 5+ armor save against Lasguns in their power armor), not a 31st Millenium Primarch

So, the model is portraying relatively human Leman Russ-as-Imperial-Commander, and not Leman Russ-the-Primarch.

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

some primarchs probably are sure, most assuredly not Angron, Horus, Russ well most of em really... prob alp and omega are not

Well I saw an old stat line for angron....And I must say, He seemed like an extremely OP model.

Not really, if your talking about the one in Liber Apocaly
ptica (His Daemon Primarch datasheet). Just a Bloodthirster with Unholy might, Daemonflight and Iron Hide, which I think all BT have anyway. He has +1 W and +1 T and a wargear and a rule. That's all really.

No I'm talking about this

Damn, what has he been eating? I want some. I meant the one availible for download from GW.com. Just google Angron datasheet and its the top of the list in pdf.

Yeah they sure did nerf him from his last stat line lol

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

That doesn't sound quite right, is there a reference for that? I mean, Sanguinius stood there fighting Bloodthirsters all day long at the siege of Terra, one would think that once such beings ascended to Daemonhood they'd be even more ridiculous.

Either way, Angron being 500pts for +1T and +1W over a basic bloodthirster was kinda silly

Vaktathi wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

That doesn't sound quite right, is there a reference for that? I mean, Sanguinius stood there fighting Bloodthirsters all day long at the siege of Terra, one would think that once such beings ascended to Daemonhood they'd be even more ridiculous.

Either way, Angron being 500pts for +1T and +1W over a basic bloodthirster was kinda silly

Bloodthirsters all day long? You mean one and the rest of the normal chaos hordes? Ka'Bandha isn't exactly a horde of Bloodthirsters, and sanguinas greatest achievement was breaking that one Bloodthirsters back over his knee before retreating back to the safety on the Inside of the eternity gate, not to mention this is the same one that earlier broke his legs.

If I had to put a statline for the Primarchs themselves, I'd use the ones from the AOTE unofficial expansion for what I figure they should be.

http://www.tempusfugitives.co.uk/pdf/40k/AotE%20Expansion.pdf

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

That doesn't sound quite right, is there a reference for that? I mean, Sanguinius stood there fighting Bloodthirsters all day long at the siege of Terra, one would think that once such beings ascended to Daemonhood they'd be even more ridiculous.

Either way, Angron being 500pts for +1T and +1W over a basic bloodthirster was kinda silly

Bloodthirsters all day long? You mean one and the rest of the normal chaos hordes? Ka'Bandha isn't exactly a horde of Bloodthirsters, and sanguinas greatest achievement was breaking that one Bloodthirsters back over his knee before retreating back to the safety on the Inside of the eternity gate, not to mention this is the same one that earlier broke his legs.

It was more than just Ka'Bandha, he was just the most noteable one. And he fought him after fighting a horde of daemons for 24+ hours straight. And still snapped his back like a little bitch

TheAngrySquig wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

That doesn't sound quite right, is there a reference for that? I mean, Sanguinius stood there fighting Bloodthirsters all day long at the siege of Terra, one would think that once such beings ascended to Daemonhood they'd be even more ridiculous.

Either way, Angron being 500pts for +1T and +1W over a basic bloodthirster was kinda silly

Bloodthirsters all day long? You mean one and the rest of the normal chaos hordes? Ka'Bandha isn't exactly a horde of Bloodthirsters, and sanguinas greatest achievement was breaking that one Bloodthirsters back over his knee before retreating back to the safety on the Inside of the eternity gate, not to mention this is the same one that earlier broke his legs.

It was more than just Ka'Bandha, he was just the most noteable one. And he fought him after fighting a horde of daemons for 24+ hours straight. And still snapped his back like a little bitch

The only drove of daemons at the gate was a ton of bloodletters, with Ka'Brandha leading the "Skulls for the Skull throne!" Moments, with space marines dealing with the bloodletters while Ka'Brandha.

I mean they still would be strong, I still would place them over newly formed Greater Daemons, but not fully above some of the higher ranked Greater Daemons.

DaKKaLAnce wrote:No I'm talking about this

This is terrifying. What the hell would you even take to fight this guy? A Legion of Dreadknights?

Hope several baneblades wear him down before he gets into range? although with a 20" regular move and 2d6 assault range...

2+ rerollable per turn armor save, and a 3+ invuln... and 8 wounds. I want to use this guy in an Apoc game.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:No I'm talking about this

This is terrifying. What the hell would you even take to fight this guy? A Legion of Dreadknights?

Hope several baneblades wear him down before he gets into range? although with a 20" regular move and 2d6 assault range...

2+ rerollable per turn armor save, and a 3+ invuln... and 8 wounds. I want to use this guy in an Apoc game.

Agreed, seeing this in a battle would be AWESOME! Hell, if my opponent brought that to an apoc game, I'd let him use it. (And then promptly MSS spam him )

DaKKaLAnce wrote:No I'm talking about this

I believe this is a fan made one, and not official GW rule's. GW has released a blank apoc data sheet, which can be found here . If you look at the two pages, you can tell it is fan made superimposed on top of this blank sheet. Not to mention 40k had not had any mention of a 1+ armour save in the last few editions(Fantasy has though), and when reading the description, it just dost feel like the writing style of any GW author.

Eldrad uses mindwar...

Also, he doesn't have EW, could a libby instakill him?


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Lord Rogukiel wrote:Eldrad uses mindwar...

Also, he doesn't have EW, could a libby instakill him?

Edit: demonic rune might pose a problem, but Ghosthelm...

And can str4 wound T 8?

Lord Rogukiel wrote:
And can str4 wound T 8?

I don't think so. Lets see.
Str 4 wounds T4 on a 4+, T5 on a 5+, T6 on a 6+, and T7 on a 6+. So no, it can't.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Eldrad uses mindwar...

Also, he doesn't have EW, could a libby instakill him?

Deamon gives him EW.

Those fan made rules are stupid and OTT. I'm sure GW could some sweet apoc rules for deamon primarchs though. I remember the official angron stats being rubbish.

To answer the previous question... Daemon Princes of any kind, not just Primarchs, are *looked down upon* by Greater Daemons as not being pure. That's a whole different kettle of fish to which are more powerful, are higher up in hierarchy, etc. Daemons of any kind aren't set at any one level - there are Daemon Princes that are more powerful than others, the Primarchs being a great example, and there are Greater Daemons that are more powerful too. For instance - Kairos Fateweaver is not your average Lord of Change, Skarbrand is very strong as is expected of his age and experience but has effectively been exiled, and good ol' Skulltaker has a lot of favour for an "ordinary" Bloodletter.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Vaktathi wrote:

DaKKaLAnce wrote:Ok..So Is it true that Angron is the only primarch that was/is playable in 40k?

Sort of, for a Primarch though he was rather disappointing, he had some half-assed rules that required a bunch of blood thirsters to be with him, wasn't really that impressive.

The thing is primarchs aren't that awesome, I mean remember they are supposedly supposed to be below greater daemons.

What? The traitor primarchs are the avatars of the chaos gods. They are far beyond greater daemons. Greater daemons form their entourages.