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2012/07/24 18:30:31
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
A research charity has launched an animated film hoping it will encourage debate about the surge of women seeking "designer vaginas".
The film called Centrefold, funded by the Wellcome Trust, features three women discussing how labiaplasty - the surgical reduction of the inner labia - has affected them.
Last year more than 2000 labiaplasties were carried out on the NHS, and in the last five years there has been a fivefold increase.
Experts believe the total number is likely to be much higher when considering the unregulated private sector, where the surgery costs upwards of £3,000.
Despite the increase in labiaplasty there are no universal NHS guidelines on the size and shape of normal female genitalia.
I thought it was going to be the end of all my problems - I thought it was going to look lovely, like a little designer vagina”
Emma
Researchers say there is little known about the long term effects and are concerned women are not receiving enough psychological support before opting for surgery.
Anxiety dreams
Jessie said she used to spend hours flicking through magazines looking for women with similar labia to hers. She did not find any.
She said it was "another piece of evidence that there was something wrong with me" and made her feel like a "complete freak".
She experienced recurring dreams where she would imagine her labia as a scarf that would wrap itself around her neck. "There would be people standing around laughing and pointing."
"Shortly after the operation I would dream that they would grow back and I'd wake up in a bit of a panic."
A year on, her dreams no longer occur. She said she feels "really silly talking about it", but it was significant enough to cause her daily anxiety.
Many NHS trusts consider the surgery a low clinical priority procedure and will not routinely fund it.
Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire PCTs say requests will only be considered:
Where the labia are directly contributing to recurrent infection
Where repair of the labia is required after trauma
NHS Plymouth makes special consideration to patients who demonstrate that they are "significantly different to the general population of patients with the condition in question".
Emma also thought her genital area was abnormal. She said before her surgery her labia was "very long, dark, stretchy. It looked disgusting - shrivelled up".
"It was the only thing in my life that made me feel depressed. I was very excited about having labiaplasty. I thought it was going to be the end of all my problems. I thought it was going to look lovely, like a little designer vagina."
Though it is now smaller, Emma is still unhappy with her labia's appearance.
Women seeking labiaplasty need more opportunity to discuss their concerns, said Dr Lih-Mei Liao, a consultant clinical psychologist at University College London Hospitals.
"Worries about the labia are quintessentially psychological. When a woman says she is worried about her labia, surgeons may hear the word 'labia' and operate, I hear the word 'worry'.
"It's difficult when surgery is being advertised as a straight forward solution. It makes it hard for these women to engage psychologically with what's going on."
She added that psychologists "simply aren't being accessed as surgery is being presented as the obvious solution".
Jessie imagined her labia as a scarf around her neck - pictured here in a still from the film Centrefold
Grooming trends
The British Association of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons is calling for mandatory psychological screening before cosmetic surgery. It said a recent report found that routine psychological checks were carried out in fewer than 35% of clinics.
Dr Liao believes that a woman's anxiety or dissatisfaction with certain areas of her life may manifest itself as body image concerns.
"Surgery may have its place, but it needs to be seen as an extreme solution," she added.
Consultant gynaecologist Dr Sarah Creighton said her clinic sees girls as young as 11 years old seeking surgery.
She found that although a small percentage of women do have abnormal labia, in the majority of cases those with concerns had what she would consider a normal sized labia.
The trend for more extreme pubic grooming leaves the labia more exposed - something which has contributed to more women seeking surgery, said Dr Creighton.
"What we should be doing... is looking at alternatives to surgery so that women have other options, rather than resorting to an operation about which we know very little," she said.
The names of the women featured have been changed as they wish to remain anonymous.
I was under the impression that men were the only one's self-conscious about what they were packing in their drawers... guess not.
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I remember a youtube video about this (yes seriously) that followed a youngish (20s I think) who had the procedure. It was kind of enlightening. If I wasnt at work I would loom for it to post a link.
While I recognize she would be in the minority of people as having an actual physical issue, I suppose I dont see what makes labiaplasty any different from rhinoplasty in terms of requiring psychological screening. I also have no idea if rhinoplasty requires a psychological screening, so there we are.
2012/07/24 19:34:47
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Miss America, you're beautiful. She blinded me with science...
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2012/07/24 19:43:20
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
I dont see people wwith the same nose as me but that doesnt mean there is something wrong with it.
Now how long till they have this kinda surgery for men?
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2012/07/24 19:49:45
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
hotsauceman1 wrote:I dont see people wwith the same nose as me but that doesnt mean there is something wrong with it.
Now how long till they have this kinda surgery for men?
They already do? But instead of trimming, they make it larger.
2012/07/24 19:56:23
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Just a procedure where they um....creat scar tissue in Mr Happy...not a one shot process but multiple um....nvm...lets just say the scalpel being used to encourage growth is pretty scarey
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2012/07/24 19:58:30
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
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2012/07/24 20:04:33
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Kilkrazy wrote:I spent years searching for a perfect vagina.
Then my wife found out.
Padum bum! Yes he's here all night ladies and gentlemen.
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2012/07/24 20:55:12
Subject: Re:"The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Jihadin wrote:Just a procedure where they um....creat scar tissue in Mr Happy...not a one shot process but multiple um....nvm...lets just say the scalpel being used to encourage growth is pretty scarey
The use of a scalpel anywhere near my Gentleman's gentleman is pretty scary...
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2012/07/24 20:57:26
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Seriously, what the feth? How is not liking your fanny worthy of the tax payer funding your bizarre vanity?
Im sure they tell them it makes them depressed.. the instant win of the NHS. Tell them your suicidal and they will use tax dollars to pay for some anal beads.
What a joke.
The jokes on them though, because at the end of the day, there is no possible surgery on earth that can make genitals look pleasant.
Men look like they are packing a sausage that got dropped down the back of the oven about eight years ago, and women are even worse, it looks like a horrific cycling injury you ignored for a few weeks and then your granddad tried to stitch it himself in the shed with a bottle of TCP and a sail makers needle.
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2012/07/24 21:02:10
Subject: Re:"The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Jihadin wrote:Just a procedure where they um....creat scar tissue in Mr Happy...not a one shot process but multiple um....nvm...lets just say the scalpel being used to encourage growth is pretty scarey
The use of a scalpel anywhere near my Gentleman's gentleman is pretty scary...
Frazzled has a very large shotgun that says that area is off limits to all unauthorized personnel.
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2012/07/24 22:06:36
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
mattyrm wrote:Men look like they are packing a sausage that got dropped down the back of the oven about eight years ago, and women are even worse, it looks like a horrific cycling injury you ignored for a few weeks and then your granddad tried to stitch it himself in the shed with a bottle of TCP and a sail makers needle.
Matty, I ... well, I think you may have an unhealthy attitude toward the human body. Or ... I dunno, some really bad experiences. Yikes.
The video I mentioned in my previous post. There are some people for whom this is a serious and actual concern. I understand (and the article points out) that this young lady is indeed in the minority in terms of physical issues instead of mental ones.
Do people have the option of paying for their medical procedures in the UK, or is it all on the NHS regardless? I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with your system.
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2012/07/24 22:51:59
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
The NHS refuses to pay for cosmetic things unless it has an impact on someone's mental or physical health.
Though you do have the option of going private if you want to. Something many people seem to forget while ragging on the NHS.
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2012/07/24 23:23:00
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
The video I mentioned in my previous post. There are some people for whom this is a serious and actual concern. I understand (and the article points out) that this young lady is indeed in the minority in terms of physical issues instead of mental ones.
Do people have the option of paying for their medical procedures in the UK, or is it all on the NHS regardless? I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with your system.
Not gonna lie, she had some pretty nasty bits.
I don't know what Mattyrm is going off on...not all genitalia look disgusting. Maybe you're just a bit of a prude.
mattyrm wrote:and women are even worse, it looks like a horrific cycling injury you ignored for a few weeks and then your granddad tried to stitch it himself in the shed with a bottle of TCP and a sail makers needle.
The centre of a massive brood chamber, heaving and pulsating.
There was me thinking this was about a rise in lesbianism.
...I'll put away my video camera.
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2012/07/27 11:15:42
Subject: Re:"The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Jessie imagined her labia as a scarf around her neck - pictured here in a still from the film Centrefold
Ok, Jessie doesn't need surgery, she needs psychiatric help.
If she wants surgery it should be seen for what it is just cosmetic, not life enabling, and ought to be self funded.
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2012/07/27 11:21:24
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Save all the money you'd spend on surgery, and give it to me. I will personally go around and reassure all of these women that they have at least two other perfectly accessible bits of their... personality... that people will like just as much.
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2012/07/27 12:36:14
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"
Amaya wrote:
I don't know what Mattyrm is going off on...not all genitalia look disgusting. Maybe you're just a bit of a prude.
Oh come on! Its like you are attempting to paint me in a negative manner simply because I tried to make an analogy about genitals.. I'm not a prude.. I was in the green berets, an organisation where group sex, the frequent use of prostitutes and stripping completely naked in public every single time someone shouts "Naked Bar!" are not only encouraged but forced upon you lest you be bullied and called a Jessie.
But well.. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that. Were just evolved apes, how on earth do genitalia look nice?! A snow capped mountain looks nice! A calm blue ocean... a graceful hawk in flight.
Not a big hairy ball bag and a heavily veined Weiner.
I bet you like modern art as well eh?
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mattyrm wrote:and women are even worse, it looks like a horrific cycling injury you ignored for a few weeks and then your granddad tried to stitch it himself in the shed with a bottle of TCP and a sail makers needle.
This however, was funny, and therefore a perfectly acceptable response.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2012/07/29 20:55:16
Subject: "The rise in women seeking a perfect vagina"