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According to the datasheet, getting onto the top of a Skyshield counts as moving through difficult terrain, and access points are : as model.


Would it be possible to drive/tankshock a ground vehicle onto a Skyshield's pad, or have one up there at the start of the game?

The RAW says this is possible.

How does that work? Are there any rules for moving a (non skimming) vehicle between levels?

jcress410 wrote:How does that work? Are there any rules for moving a (non skimming) vehicle between levels?

Between levels of what?

The Skyshield landing pad is not a ruin.

The Skyshield Landing Pad has four access points, one at each leg. If you look on the inside of the legs there is a ladder that leads up to a hatch on the landing pads surface.

I suppose you could deploy a land vehicle on its surface, but as terrain is taken at face value (despite the landing pads terrain classification) I'd argue that the vehicle could not drive off of it. Additionally, as there is no physical way for a land vehicle to get up onto the landing pads surface it cannot drive up onto it either.

I think the rule of common sense needs to be applied here despite what the rule book says or doesn't say.

DeathReaper wrote:

jcress410 wrote:How does that work? Are there any rules for moving a (non skimming) vehicle between levels?

Between levels of what?

The Skyshield landing pad is not a ruin.

Thats kind of my point.


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oni wrote:The Skyshield Landing Pad has four access points, one at each leg. If you look on the inside of the legs there is a ladder that leads up to a hatch on the landing pads surface.

I suppose you could deploy a land vehicle on its surface, but as terrain is taken at face value (despite the landing pads terrain classification) I'd argue that the vehicle could not drive off of it. Additionally, as there is no physical way for a land vehicle to get up onto the landing pads surface it cannot drive up onto it either.

I think the rule of common sense needs to be applied here despite what the rule book says or doesn't say.

There's no 'physical way' and I don't think there's a RAW way either.

A small ruined tower or a steep rocky and heavily forested hill is still difficult terrain, but a tank cant get ontop of those because its clearly impossible to get ontop of them, same with the skyshield. Nothing wrong with deploying there though, obviously it was air dropped up there before turn 1

A 4+ invuln for a squad of manticore or LRBT or whatever... awesome.

"To move onto or offof the landlng pad counts as moving through difficult terrain." P.115

Vehicles can move through difficult terrain, moving onto or off of the landing pad counts as moving through difficult terrain.

Vehicles can move onto or off of the Landing pad but they need to take a dangerous terrain test.

You can houserule it so that it is impassible instead of Difficult, but the rules say moving onto or off of the landing pad counts as moving through difficult terrain so we go by that for RAW.

DeathReaper wrote:"To move onto or offof the landlng pad counts as moving through difficult terrain." P.115

Vehicles can move through difficult terrain, moving onto or off of the landing pad counts as moving through difficult terrain.

Vehicles can move onto or off of the Landing pad but they need to take a dangerous terrain test.

You can houserule it so that it is impassible instead of Difficult, but the rules say moving onto or off of the landing pad counts as moving through difficult terrain so we go by that for RAW.

Wow. So, RAW there isn't even a movement penalty for tank shocking up onto a landing pad or whatever. Just pass the test.

Considering they make a provision for Skimmers not taking the test when moving onto or off of the pad, yes. no movement penalty if they pass the test.

"...Skimmers do not need to take Dangerous Terrain tests for moving on to or off of an unfurled skyshield Landing Pad." P.115

Bobug wrote:A small ruined tower or a steep rocky and heavily forested hill is still difficult terrain, but a tank cant get ontop of those because its clearly impossible to get ontop of them,

This is incorrect. If it is difficult terrain, the vehicle can move there after taking a dangerous terrain test.

If you didn't want the vehicle to be able to move through that terrain, you would have classed it as impassable, not difficult.


The Skyshield rules say that you can move onto it with a difficult terrain test. So, as improbable as the idea of a Land Raider squeezing up one of those tiny access ladders may be, for the moment the RAW is that vehicles can move from ground to platform and back again.

That being said, I would hope that at some point someone at GW notices the ridiculousness of that, and erratas the Skyshield rules to make them impassable for non-airborne vehicles, walkers and bikes, and that's probably how I would be inclined to play them in the meantime.

Mostly this is academic interest, as it seemed a wierd situation.

If we're forced to use the 'can it fit through the little hatches' common sense rule, then that would rule out most SM, Orks, wraithguard etc being able to get up there too, after all

The hatches are barely big enough for a grot.

I would see no problem with having a vehicle airdropped/teleported onto it (Soulgrinders can DS without error onto one after all..., and BA LR's can deepstrike), but i'm not 100% certain about driving on and off of one.

I can see some Evil Sunz yelling Yeee-haaaaaww! and driving a BW off the pad to the ground (though the lack of suspension on ork vehicles could make the landing interesting..) but getting back up there again could be interesting..

Another related question that just occured to me: How do you measure a template weapon from a skyshield? DO you hold the template at model level and look down, or angle it downwards at the enemy...


Definitely could use a FAQ.

insaniak wrote:

Bobug wrote:A small ruined tower or a steep rocky and heavily forested hill is still difficult terrain, but a tank cant get ontop of those because its clearly impossible to get ontop of them,

This is incorrect. If it is difficult terrain, the vehicle can move there after taking a dangerous terrain test.

If you didn't want the vehicle to be able to move through that terrain, you would have classed it as impassable, not difficult.


The Skyshield rules say that you can move onto it with a difficult terrain test. So, as improbable as the idea of a Land Raider squeezing up one of those tiny access ladders may be, for the moment the RAW is that vehicles can move from ground to platform and back again.

That being said, I would hope that at some point someone at GW notices the ridiculousness of that, and erratas the Skyshield rules to make them impassable for non-airborne vehicles, walkers and bikes, and that's probably how I would be inclined to play them in the meantime.

A ruin is difficult terrain but a vehicle cannot get up on it, being difficult terrain isnt an exclusive thing. i can consider the skyshield as something similar to a steep cliff hill in that infantry can climb into it, but ground vehicles cannot drive into it

By raw, I agree, you can drive any vehicle onto and off of the Skyshield.

Maybe, model wise, you can assume the entire landing pad moves up and down on the support pillars if it had too. Or maybe a ramp drops down to allow vehicles to drive up.

I donno, I don't see any reason why the platform has to be static.

shock_at wrote:A ruin is difficult terrain but a vehicle cannot get up on it,

That's because there are specific rules for ruins that say they can't.

I would say they could start on top of the Skyshield, but have to stay there.
I can get my head around them being placed there by a transport. Driving up and
down is too much of a stretch.

jcress410 wrote:A 4+ invuln for a squad of manticore or LRBT or whatever... awesome.

3+ with camo.

Now, can you fit 3 russes on the deck?

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:

jcress410 wrote:A 4+ invuln for a squad of manticore or LRBT or whatever... awesome.

3+ with camo.

Now, can you fit 3 russes on the deck?

-Matt

Only with tactical genius

Wait, isn't there an elevator in the center of the landing pad about the size of a Rhino?

That could allow vehicles to access the pad.

HawaiiMatt wrote:

jcress410 wrote:A 4+ invuln for a squad of manticore or LRBT or whatever... awesome.

3+ with camo.

Now, can you fit 3 russes on the deck?

-Matt

No, the Skyshield does not give a 3+ with camo, as the save afforded is a 4+ invuln, not a 4+ cover.

The Skyshield is a fortification though and will normally confer a 3+ cover, so 2+ with camo cloaks.

Grey Templar wrote:Wait, isn't there an elevator in the center of the landing pad about the size of a Rhino?

That could allow vehicles to access the pad.

Maybe:



But I do not see the rules stating there is, though it does just say difficult terrain, maybe the elevator was meant as the Phys Rep for that rule?

It's just deck plating. There is no mechanical stuff there to suggest that it is meant to function as an elevator.

insaniak wrote:It's just deck plating. There is no mechanical stuff there to suggest that it is meant to function as an elevator.

That is what I figured. but I guess it could be viewed as an elevator.

So would adding an Ork-like modification to the Skyshield that looks like a crude elevator be sufficient to allow my vehicles to get up there? It wouldn't block LOS or anything, so no modeling for advantages; just an explanation.

xlEternitylx wrote:So would adding an Ork-like modification to the Skyshield that looks like a crude elevator be sufficient to allow my vehicles to get up there? It wouldn't block LOS or anything, so no modeling for advantages; just an explanation.

There's no need. The rules already allow your vehicles to get up there.

The Current rules allow you to move up there with vehicles as units just need to take a Difficult Terrain test to get up there.

You could modify it with a ramp like this one:



But it is not needed.

If the ground vehicle can fit it's hull through the latter i'd let it climb up the pad.

HoverBoy wrote:If the ground vehicle can fit it's hull through the latter i'd let it climb up the pad.

It doesn't need to fit it's hull through the ladder, as the rules stand they can take the terrain test and move up there.

HoverBoy wrote:If the ground vehicle can fit it's hull through the latter i'd let it climb up the pad.

By that argument SM can't use the ladders either

Try getting a SM through the hatch in one piece, i dare ya You could always make the holes a bit bigger, for an orky approach...


I get the feeling that they will send out a clarifying FAQ eventually.

Ascalam wrote:

HoverBoy wrote:If the ground vehicle can fit it's hull through the latter i'd let it climb up the pad.

By that argument SM can't use the ladders either

Try getting a SM through the hatch in one piece, i dare ya You could always make the holes a bit bigger, for an orky approach...


I get the feeling that they will send out a clarifying FAQ eventually.

SM have krack grenades for that xD