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Ok so I am trying to build a competitive but still fun CSM list. I I've tried to incorporate units I enjoy fielding like the Defiler and the Nurgle Chain Fist Lord but I think it could use a little review by you guys.

Chaos Lord
Terminator Armour
Chain Fist
Combi-Melta
Mark Of Nurgle
160 Points

6 Chaos Terminator
Heavy Flamer
Power Fist
2 Power Axes
2 Power Mauls
Mark Of Nurgle
2 Combi-Meltas
305 Points

9 Plague Marines
2 Melta Guns
Plague Champion
Power Fist
Combi-Melta
Rhino
340 Points

10 Chaos Space Marines
Plasma Guns
Las Cannon
Icon Of Chaos Glory
195 Points

10 Chaos Space Marines
Plasma Guns
Heavy Bolter
Icon Of Chaos Glory
185 Points

10 Chaos Space Marines
Plasma Guns
Heavy Bolter
Icon Of Chaos Glory
185 Points

Defiler
Reaper Autocannon
Close Combat Arm
150 Points

Chaos Predator
Twin-Linked Las Cannon
Side Sponsor Las Cannon
165 Points

Chaos Predator
Twin-Linked Las Cannon
Side Sponsor Las Cannon
165 Points

When it comes to competitive what does it mean ?? Is it a win at all costs sort of list or is it a list that is meant to just play well against everything ? Could you guys explain this to me.
Could you guys pull this list apart and help me fine tune it please.

csm should always have rhinos
lascannon<melta
change 1 of ur csm squad to have 2 meltas aspring champion and fist+rhino
i dont like heavy bolter much i think duel plasma gun will do better
ur chaos lord joining the termies?
are they gonna deep strike?

competitve game= equal chane to win the game with ur list
most of the comp games contine many anti tanks and tanks inside

drop the havoc launches its a waste of points
drop reaper cannon for heavy flamer

hmm cl with chainfist=strike last he can die before he even strike

the more you get the better you win>

Not necessarily, 6th edition is making foot slogging more viable.
The lascannon squad is there to camp back on an objective or in cover and shoot, the lascannon just provides a long range weapon.
I and using the Plague and a melta assault squad.
The heavy bolters are what I have, I am trying to use WYSIWYG . but I do wish I had more plasma and melta guns. and they provide extra long range shots. they also sit on objectives but will move up further.
Chaos Lord will be with the termies and deepstriking yes. The plague have a personal icon, but i forgot to list it.

I just threw on the havoc launchers to fill extra points, but they aren't really that bad you know, and they have good range.
yeah i guess i can drop the reaper, they never do a lot anyway lol

if you wanna keep the las its ok but if you add them a rhino they can camp a point fast the down side ofc its another kill point
the more ap2 the better yull get vs grey knights
heavy bolters will do good vs orks and dark eldars

Took out the Reaper Autocannon and put in a Heavy Flamer. Added another Terminator and 2 Combi-Melta's.
Removed the Havoc Launchers on the Predators


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I don't get to verse Dark Eldar and Ork My gaming group only has me, my brother (Tyranids and Space Wolves) and our friend (Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Space Marines but he just started his Blood Angels so he will be playing them). So basically I get to verse Blood Angels and Space Wolves, sometimes my brother pulls out his Tyranids.

IXLoiero95XI wrote:When it comes to competitive what does it mean ?? Is it a win at all costs sort of list or is it a list that is meant to just play well against everything ? Could you guys explain this to me.
Could you guys pull this list apart and help me fine tune it please.

From my perspective as a RTT regular and league player for nearly 2 years (and 6 years of casual 40k before that, from 4th edition's beginning) these terms mean:

"Competitive" means having a good chance of winning a RT tournament. Such lists would be GK Draigo wing or Purifier Spam, IG Leaf Blower & Parking Lots, Ork Kan-Walls, SW Razor-spam/TWC & BA Parking Lots, and in some hands, DE Venom Spam. In 4e, there was Nidzilla. At 5e's beginning, Nob Biker lists made to exploit Wound Allocation Shenanigans (thankfully, now gone) were quite competitive.

The phrase Win At All Costs is not a list thing, mainly. It's how you play, akin to raging dill weed or douchebag, etc. WAAC players will play strong builds like I listed, but more often it refers to un-fun opponents who will nickel and dime every little advantage, Slow Play, argue over Line-Of-Sight, and possibly even pull dice shenanigans.

MHO, don't ever worry about list building. If the codex says you can have it, then go for it; competitive lists are legal and "Composition" scores are so subjective in RTTs, they ... well, there's hours of discussion on that. My FLGS has a simple thumbs up or down for list builds, with a small impact on the overall out come. If I've got it right, the Comp score is used in time breakers, as a tertiary criteria.

Question answered?

vs meq go alot of ap 2 its very importent
vs nids also good a few good ap weapons and a blast or flamer

and i hope you will find more friends to add to this great money sucking hobby mate