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Basically, I am wondering if it would be possible to build a viable 2K list focused around 5 Lychguard being escorted by Nemesor, Obyron, and a tooled out Destroyer Lord. The whole thing comes out to be:

Nemesor (185)
Obyron (160)
Destroyer Lord with Warscythe, Weave, and MSS (160)
5 Lychguard with Sword and Board (225)
Total: 730 points

The idea is to use mixed saves and LOS! to greatly enhance the survivability of the Lychguard. All of the characters buff the unit: Nemesor can give Furious charge, Obyron provides a Warscythe and mobility, and the Destroyer Lord provides Fearless and Prefered Enemy. Is there any merit to using this in a list? I understand that Wraiths would probably be stonger, but I really don't care for the models and would like to use Lychguard. Any ideas on what units would be a good match for this unit? Shooty, more assaultly, MSU, flyers, etc? Thanks!

Destroyer Lords aren't fearless. You'd be better off buying another Overlord to bring two royal Court members to the squad or just attaching Obyron and Nemesor to a Royal court kitted out with Lords and Crypteks. But in any case it will be a massive points sink but I did witness one such Royal Court pretty much massacre a DE army with this style of Deathstar.

Doesn't one of them have the equivelant of a Cryptek veil? If so, Id say this is pretty viable. (i dont know the characters for Necrons very well) It certainly looks like a tough nut to crack, But I think would suffer against Dark Eldar or Nids, as poison neuters their T5. Anything would have a hard time downing this.

Oops! That makes a huge difference. Thanks for that catch!

After a quick review of what those special characters do, I'll say that it probably isn't a good idea.

Offensively speaking, I think the unit puts out a semi-respectable amount of damage. But the survivibility to cost ratio doesn't really, in my opinion, line up with some of the other incrediblty resilient deathstars.

My assumption is that you are planning to face tank with the three independent characters, and take all of the wounds on them.

Having mixed armor doesn't give you any newfound survivibility, it just changes the order that you Look out Sir. Since all of the ICs have a weave, i would assume you'd take every ap3 or higher wound on them. Due to mixed armor, you don't get to try the save and then ship the wound with look out sir. With a mixed armor unit, you ship wounds, not unsaved wounds.

So you could ship ap2 and ap1 wounds to the lychguard so that you don't have to take the invulnerable save on the ICs, but then you are really wasting their phase shifters, which are expensive, and better than the lychguards 4++.

So really, why not use this one and keep warscythes on the lychguard. It is the better weapon if you are going to keep them alive. If you plan to use them as bodyguards for an IC, then skip the phase shifter.

If you were determined to use the dynamic duo, I would recommend taking both of them, and taking warscythe armed lychguard. You've got two independent characters that can take challenges, and if there isn't any challenges involved, start your wound allocation on the ICs in base contact first. That way you'll get your full 10-15 warscythe swings from the lychguard. While closing with the enemy have the ICs face-tank. Use their weaves and the phase shifter to cover your lychguard.

If you are more insterested in building an obnoxious deathstar that gets warscythes delivered. I'd recommend a full wraith unit led by one or two destroyer lords. Multi-wound units really make great wound outlets. You can buy weaves for the D-lords, and let them roll against non-ap2, and ship the low ap wounds to the wraiths. Or just keep it simple and keep the D-lords naked. Make your 3+ saves, and anything below strength 8 that gets onto the d-lord ship it to an unwounded wraith.

Just my unfiltered thoughts...

If you did want a death star involving this band of maverics here is how I see making it a little cheaper and efficient in the grand scheme of things. Here's what I'd take.

Nemesor w/ C. Barge
Obyron
royal court lord w/ M.S.S.; scythe; weave [possibly];
lychguard x5 w/surfboards

You'd start by placing the lord, nemesor and the lychguard in 1 unit and place obyron behind the barge. At the start of your turn you board Obyron into the barge and go make havoc while you slug the footmen acrosd the board. You can give your lychguard furious charge on the turn you assault to make them Str6 or if you're assaulted then Obyron comes to join the party and you can turn on your favorite song (popular choices being stand by me, or I'll be there for you). This seperates the threats making it a harder time for you opponent and makes you risk less points for most of the game in 1 spot.

As someone who has used this combo in several games it can be very, very devastating when used right.

I used to use it as my anti-deathstar can opener in 5th as there truly was nothing that could kill all those characters. In 6th though, with HPSs being AP3 though, any TEQ enemies can suddenly be a big headache for your uber-unit, which is exactly the kind of unit in 5th the blob would be hunting. This, ultimately, puts a big damper on why you'd want the unit in the first place.

However, the death blob still has its uses and as long as you don't try to fight too many 2+ save enemies at once you will decimate pretty much anything else in the game.

Good thoughts everyone! Yeah... I really thought the Destroyer Lord was the missing piece to the puzzle because I thought he had Fearless. Oh well.

As Shep said, I was planning on using the Weave ICs to eat any AP3+ shots and only LOS! the AP2 shots either to Nemesor or the 4++ save Lychguard. I realize that each model has to take their own saves, but the ability to shift pre-save wounds to the most appropriate model should hopefully extend everyone's lives.

Do you think that Nemesor/Obyron can tank enough to get Warscythe Lychguard into combat without a 3rd IC? Dropping the shields and the 3rd IC would save a lot of points and really free up the rest of the list.

Gornall wrote:Do you think that Nemesor/Obyron can tank enough to get Warscythe Lychguard into combat without a 3rd IC? Dropping the shields and the 3rd IC would save a lot of points and really free up the rest of the list.

i think that'll take some proxy-playtesting to know for sure. Way too many different possible enemy units to math hammer it.

This reminds me of this fun little silliness that I've been messing around with in 5th and got more goofy with 6th Double FoC:

Nemesor
Obyron
Trazyn
DLord (with what ever toys you desire)
Orikan
6 Wraiths w/Trans dimensional Beamers.

Sure, it's like a bazillion points. But damn is it good for a laugh...and it scores! .

Basically Teleport them where ever you want, and throw 7 Preferred Enemy Relentless Trans Beamers into peoples face. Beg people to assault you. It's probably a good idea to put Nemie in a NightScythe so you can pin point DS Oby and the squad turn two (still have him on the board turn one though), but then you can't get any Nemesor buffs turn one...tough call.

That squad is nearly 1k pts... Let me show you oportunic cost of such squad:
Lord (ws, mss, ccb): 195
2x anihilation barge: 180
1x doomscythe: 175
Veiltek: 60
10x deathmark: 190

And you have 200 pts left for other things... Now consider that deathstar of yours what can it do ( lets say with optimism that it manages to deepstrike where you want, you can't charge first turn, so it will destroy in best case scenario 6 units) and what can 1k equivilent do that I posted above...
Is deathstar army possible to build? Yes... But is it competitive? I don't think so...
I always say don't put all your eggs in same basket, even if they're super cool reanimation metal eggs

ShadarLogoth wrote:This reminds me of this fun little silliness that I've been messing around with in 5th and got more goofy with 6th Double FoC:

Nemesor
Obyron
Trazyn
DLord (with what ever toys you desire)
Orikan
6 Wraiths w/Trans dimensional Beamers.

Sure, it's like a bazillion points. But damn is it good for a laugh...and it scores! .

Basically Teleport them where ever you want, and throw 7 Preferred Enemy Relentless Trans Beamers into peoples face. Beg people to assault you. It's probably a good idea to put Nemie in a NightScythe so you can pin point DS Oby and the squad turn two (still have him on the board turn one though), but then you can't get any Nemesor buffs turn one...tough call.

The wraiths dont get back up so while potent this list is weak. I can see the barage sniping now. It can DS all over the place but it can only kill one thing a turn and costing 1k points you wont have much else shooting going on.

Why not use this as a solid Necron Deathstar.

Nemesor
Obyron
5 x Lords, scythe, weave, MSS

You'll hit the enemy with 5 mindshackle scarab checks in combat. Everyone has 2+ saves and a 4+ WBB roll. Honestly the MSS might do the most damage of all in combat against the most potent deathstars. Finally Obyron can get you all over the board and even out of combat if you needed to.

Chinchilla wrote:That squad is nearly 1k pts... Let me show you oportunic cost of such squad:
Lord (ws, mss, ccb): 195
2x anihilation barge: 180
1x doomscythe: 175
Veiltek: 60
10x deathmark: 190

And you have 200 pts left for other things... Now consider that deathstar of yours what can it do ( lets say with optimism that it manages to deepstrike where you want, you can't charge first turn, so it will destroy in best case scenario 6 units) and what can 1k equivilent do that I posted above...
Is deathstar army possible to build? Yes... But is it competitive? I don't think so...
I always say don't put all your eggs in same basket, even if they're super cool reanimation metal eggs

I don't think y'all read the post too closely. "Fun little silliness" != "Something I'm really serious about for competitive play."

The wraiths dont get back up so while potent this list is weak. I can see the barage sniping now. It can DS all over the place but it can only kill one thing a turn and costing 1k points you wont have much else shooting going on.

True, but the unit isn't glued together, so you certainly could split things off if needed. Plus you have a bunch of IC wounds (2+/3+/3++ depending) to spread around with your Wraith wounds, I think if you did it right you wouldn't lose a base for the first couple of rounds, and that's if they actually focus fire it. It's the type of build that would probably face roll other Deathstars/MC heavy armies, but be only so-so against more run of the mill armies. Keep in mind Dreads have a S characteristic, so your fist 3 volleys could be 3 Psyfleman, and then you could split everybody up and go running through henchmen squads or something.

But again, it's more of a fun way to make the Trans Beamers actually work then a hard core competitive endeavor.