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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 19:35:07
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/27/indiana-company-scraps-plans-for-expansion-over-obamacare-device-tax/
An Indiana-based medical equipment manufacturer says it's scrapping plans to open five new plants in the coming years because of a looming tax tied to President Obama's health care overhaul law.
Cook Medical claims the tax on medical devices, set to take effect next year, will cost the company roughly $20 million a year, cutting into money that would otherwise go toward expanding into new facilities over the next five years.
"This is the equivalent of about a plant a year that we're not going to be able to build," a company spokesman told FoxNews.com.
He said the original plan was to build factories in "hard-pressed" Midwestern communities, each employing up to 300 people. But those factories cost roughly the same amount as the projected cost of the new tax.
"In reality, we're not looking at the U.S. to build factories anymore as long as this tax is in place. We can't, to be competitive," he said.
Company executive Pete Yonkman first revealed the scuttled plans in an interview with the Indianapolis Business Journal. The company later confirmed the decision to FoxNews.com.
The Affordable Care Act imposed a 2.3 percent tax on medical devices beginning in 2013. It is projected raise nearly $30 billion over the next decade.
But the Cook Medical spokesman said the impact is greater than just a 2.3 percent uptick in taxes. He said the impact on actual earnings is another 15 percent, and he projected the company's total tax burden next year will rise to over 50 percent.
Republicans and medical device makers have been railing against the tax all along, with the GOP-controlled House approving a bill last month to repeal it. The Senate, though, hasn't taken it up.
A recent study by the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, though, said the complaints by the industry are exaggerated.
"The tax will not cause manufacturers to shift production overseas. The tax applies equally to imported and domestically produced devices, and devices produced in the United States for export are tax-exempt," the study said. It also said repealing the tax would "undercut health reform" by requiring Congress to offset the repeal by potentially killing spending provisions in the law and by potentially encouraging similar repeals.
Cook Medical is part of a family of companies that produce medical devices for surgery, obstetrics, gynecology and other fields.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 20:11:58
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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The daily bash Obama thread. It would be nice to see some variation.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 20:48:49
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Fixture of Dakka
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With the right kind of luck, we won't have to see Obama threads after next November.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 20:58:11
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Relapse wrote:With the right kind of luck, we won't have to see Obama threads after next November.
I wouldn't call getting Romney elected "luck". At least not any luck a sane, rational human being would want. There's far better conservative candidates than Romney. A pity the various Primaries tend to be stacked against moderates.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 21:11:29
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Fixture of Dakka
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There's a lot I agree with you on, Melissia, but I have no use for Obama.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 22:44:22
Subject: Re:Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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A megacorporation pushing out claims that Obama's policies are killing jobs? Surely this does not have to do anything with the company just wanting to make even more money and thus naturally being against any expenses they'd have to pay to anyone.
Let's see how long they stick to this plan if the demand for their product is there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 22:47:08
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Perish the thought, Lynata.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:00:23
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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The tax will not cause manufacturers to shift production overseas.
Either they move jobs overseas cause its to expensive to keep them here or they don't make any new jobs at all. Both options are less than ideal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:06:14
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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LordofHats wrote:Either they move jobs overseas cause its to expensive to keep them here [...]
Of course any imports will still have the company be subject to the tax, so moving these jobs overseas would only work if they don't want to sell in the US.
It's a leading megacorp with an annual revenue of about $2 billion dollars, so the only thing keeping them from expanding would be an assessment that new facilities would fail to generate enough profit to offset this tax. This, of course, depends entirely on local demand - and if Cook Medical can't deliver, maybe one of the smaller companies will then get a chance to grow some.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:18:56
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Supply and demand shows that expansion is not going to be needed anyway. Considering that over half our American physicians are going to retire over ObamaCare anyway there will not be anybody prescribing these devices anymore.
I wouldn't be surprised if the secret government pannels are going to vote not to have these devices covered because they spoke out against dear leader.
We are going to die under this socialist healthcare system, people will rot in the streets like in Europe and Canada. They don't even have doctors in those countries because nobody can make any money as a physician.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:41:57
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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d-usa wrote:We are going to die under this socialist healthcare system, people will rot in the streets like in Europe and Canada. They don't even have doctors in those countries because nobody can make any money as a physician.
That ... doesn't really make any sense, does it? How will people "rot in the streets" because they can now afford treatment they were unable to get before? Do not people rather "rot in the streets" in the US due to them not being able to afford healthcare? And why would people not "make any money as a physician" when public healthcare actually increases the demand in this profession because more people are more regularly going to see a doc rather than waiting until they get deadly sick and then possibly stumble into an ER (provided they make it)?
http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html
The truth is that the US systems results in a less healthy populace whilst simutaneously wasting more money. It was about time to change that.
You still have a point about certain types of physicians and pharma companies potentially losing some jobs because a healthier populace is one that has less need for medical aid above the basic prevention level, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:42:21
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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We don't have any general care physicians here because there's 'no' money in it.
That said, not sure if serious XD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:45:48
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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It was sarcasm.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:46:31
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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That was my gut feeling, mostly cause that seems like the opposite of the d-usa I know, unless I really just don't pay attention that badly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:53:27
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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LordofHats wrote:We don't have any general care physicians here because there's 'no' money in it.
That sounds like it'd fit to what I've heard @ people not going to the doc until it's "too late". :I
Also, sorry for me not picking up on the sarcasm, d-usa. You were way too good at it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/28 23:57:33
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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If I understand the problem right its that specializing offers so much more money (and a much more stable practice environment) that most doctors do it, leaving a shortage of general care physicians.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 00:42:43
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I forgot the [/sarcasm], sorry...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 00:47:36
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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LordofHats wrote:If I understand the problem right its that specializing offers so much more money (and a much more stable practice environment) that most doctors do it, leaving a shortage of general care physicians.
Shouldn't "supply and demand" then make general care just more expensive, in turn leading to more people taking up this profession again?
If the demand is there. Or rather if said demand can be paid by whoever needs it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 00:49:41
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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It would, except that supply and demand failed, as it often does.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 02:34:12
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Zealous Sin-Eater
Montreal
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d-usa wrote:I forgot the [/sarcasm], sorry...
Oh thank god, I guess I don't know people here enough yet to remember each other's affiliation yet, but god... I was about to pop a vein or something...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 03:51:38
Subject: Re:Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Fixture of Dakka
On a boat, Trying not to die.
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Four Million to open a medical equipment factory? I would think it would be higher.
Also, Fox News. Need I say more?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 04:08:18
Subject: Re:Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Haven't really found it on any other news source. CBS was about shortage od doctors
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 08:18:56
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Lynata wrote:Shouldn't "supply and demand" then make general care just more expensive, in turn leading to more people taking up this profession again?
If the demand is there. Or rather if said demand can be paid by whoever needs it.
If supply and demand actually applied to career pathing, we wouldn't be so over burderned with lawyers that entry level positions at law firms only pay 10,000 a year
In this situation I suspect the image of wealth or success averts pure supply and demand principles (assuming such principles can even be applied to employment). The situation for general care kind of sucks. They get sued a lot more because they deal with strangers more often, they are over worked, underpaid, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 08:27:37
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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An Indiana-based medical equipment manufacturer wrote:will cost the company roughly $20 million a year Which almost certainly will be nothing like the amount of tax they actually pay due to clever accounting. I look forward to seeing their tax returns over the next 5 years to check their claim. An Indiana-based medical equipment manufacturer wrote:cutting into money that would otherwise go toward expanding into new facilities over the next five years. "Which would otherwise go towards expanding the bank accounts of our management while we ship facilities overseas." I'd love to see the detailed paperwork trail that would have to exist to support their US expansion claims. An Indiana-based medical equipment manufacturer wrote:But the Cook Medical spokesman said the impact is greater than just a 2.3 percent uptick in taxes. He said the impact on actual earnings is another 15 percent, and he projected the company's total tax burden next year will rise to over 50 percent. Is this using magicmaths?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/07/29 18:35:04
Subject: Indiana company scraps plans for expansion over ObamaCare device tax
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We don't need a thread for every business in the USA that scraps its health insurance.
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