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Okay, so it mentions in C:BA that some blood angels believe that the Sanguinor is the 'coalition of the Primarch's nobler side, the part that kept Sanguinius' dark side in check, and that was lost to the Blood Angels upon his death.'

I read this to mean that part of Sanguinius' soul still survives, probably in the warp. I'd like the idea of Sanguinius being restored to a permemant corporal form and freeing his sons from the black rage and red thirst. It doesn't seem to far fetched that if some part of the primarch lives on that he could be restored to full form.

I would like to see this happen at the same time or near the same time that the other lost primarchs are regrouping. Russ and Corax returning from the warp, khan from the webway, etc. Of coarse, flip side to this should be the traitor primarchs all being marshalled and their legions being gathered back together in a massive Black Crusade that smashes head on with the reinstituted loyal legions (mr smurph primarch will just have to deal with it).

Anyways, I'd want Sanguinius to be brought back for such a confrontation. Complete heresy? Or a viable DIY plot line?

He's dead.
So I'd rather he didn't come back...

Just Dave wrote:He's dead.
So I'd rather he didn't come back...

This. None of the primarchs should return, least among them the ones that have been confirmed as dead.

Moreover, what would it actually achieve? You don't expect to be able actually to field him, I take it?

The return of a loyalist primarch, particularly one that is dead would probably destroy the Imperium. It's unstable already, and the High Lords probably wouldn't appreciate such a threat to the power that has been in their hands for ten thousand years. Even if the primarch said he didn't want to become the new Emperor, it would be too much of a risk to leave him alive and too much of a risk to kill them. The Lords would be split, though considering that they chose to leave the Emperor dead according to the Inquisitor rulebook, it seems likely they'd choose for the primarch to have an unfortunate accident.

yes Sangunigous is dead.if he comes back he may cause civil war

Sanguinius wasn't a psyker, so I don't know if he could have become a warp entity.

Keep him dead. Like Bucky, Blink and Gwen Stacy.

DOOMBREAD wrote:Sanguinius wasn't a psyker, so I don't know if he could have become a warp entity.

he was. remeber that he could see the future

Sanguinius was a powerful psyker, he just never bothered to pursue that particular aspect. And it would take quite the unfortunate accident to knock off the guy that single-handedly held the Eternity gate against waves of traitor marines, hordes of daemons, and Ka'Bandha.

As much as I love the character, I think Sanguinius serves the fluff better in death. Just keep it that way.

Idd I agree with the comments saying that he should stay dead, he haves a far better "fluff place" (whatever that means lol) dead.
IF we should get new fluff about the primarchs, it should be about the two that are missing from records. BUUUUUT that won't happen... EVER.

Just Dave wrote:He's dead.
So I'd rather he didn't come back...

Totaly - agree -and loyal primarch's shoud never return....good story thing should stay good

Here's the thing: isn't it a staple of western storytelling that when things are at their darkest is when the hero arises/returns and a last hope presents itself?
Anyways, when that time comes, probably never knowing GW, I'd like that last hope to be the return of the primarchs. The lords of terra have run the imperium into the ground. The loyal legions 'taking back' the imperium, if necessary, would still be a general improvement.
Lastly, yes Sanguinius is dead. However, if the sanguinor is really some part of him that continues to exist, then there really is no reason why he couldn't come back. Whether or not he should is matter of opinion, and I think I would be pretty cool.

Phiasco II wrote:Here's the thing: isn't it a staple of western storytelling that when things are at their darkest is when the hero arises/returns and a last hope presents itself?
Anyways, when that time comes, probably never knowing GW, I'd like that last hope to be the return of the primarchs. The lords of terra have run the imperium into the ground. The loyal legions 'taking back' the imperium, if necessary, would still be a general improvement.
Lastly, yes Sanguinius is dead. However, if the sanguinor is really some part of him that continues to exist, then there really is no reason why he couldn't come back. Whether or not he should is matter of opinion, and I think I would be pretty cool.

Except Sanguinius is 100% dead, him coming back would be like Alexander Hamilton returning to save the US in its time of need, or King Edward I to come and save England. Even then Warhammer 40K isn't a story, it is a setting, if the primarchs returns and the Imperium improves the whole setting is changed, it is no longer the grimdark of the 41st Millenium, it is the noblebright of the 42nd Millenium. Also, I hate the idea of portraying the return of the primarchs as good. Look at it like this, you have this God like being return and attempt to claim control of the Imperium. Do you think the High Lords of Terra will just walk away and say "Okay, you the boss."? What happens when the primarch(s) inevitably say(s) that the Emperor wasn't a God. Suddenly their rule has zero justification beyond "I am better than you, so I should be in charge."

Honestly I like the stories of regular humans bringing success and change. Lord Commander Solar Macharius was just a normal human, and in about 20 years he conquered a thousand worlds, a faster rate than probably any of the primarchs. Despite being a regular human, Sebastian Thor was able to return stability to the Imperium and weaken the hold of the ecclesiarchy despite the fact that it weakened his own power. Even if warhammer 40K had an advancing plot, if a primarch returned and was made the new emperor or some crap I would flat out abandon the Imperium. Screw that, my entire Imperial Guard Army goes renegade, intent on watching the Imperium burn.

Besides having a primarch return and the marines take control is the most marine-centric crap ever. Oh hey IG, Imperial Navy, Adeptus Ministorum, Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Terra, and Inquisition, we appreciate all you do, but you are useless so we are putting our guy in control. On a final note Sanguinius is annoying. Oh yeah, he is perfect, he is a blonde haired angel and was the best at everything, Horus thought he should have been warmaster, he managed to put a chink in Horus' armour that allowed the Emperor to kill him, he is the most revered primarch and no one hates him. People think Guilleman is bad? At least Guilleman was flawed enough to have grudges and be hypocritical.

Everything you said stands -as for Sanguinius,we will find out if he was perfect as you say in a next book

I prefer the other interpertation. The Sanguinor is actually Askellon, the only surviving member of the original Sanguinary Guard that Snaguinious left behind so the order would survive.

I like the idea of the sanguinor being half of sanguinius's soul, he was killed, only two characters have died and came back.
(mephiston and thawn) and they'er both op, so a resd primarch, that would ruin the suspense of the blood angels possible impending doom.

Keep him dead!

He already came back. Many bad things happened...

I wouldn't mind if some of the lost primarchs reapeared, but not the dead ones. It kind of defeats the point of them being dead.

The Primarchs that are confirmed dead (Sanguinius, Ferrus Manus, Dorn, Horus, Curze etc.) should remain dead.

If they're going to bring back a Primarch, it should at least be one that could feasibly be alive. (Gulliman for example, or Khan, Russ, Vulkan or Corax that simply disappeared.)

How did dorn die again?

Killed offstage by traitor marines after boarding a renegade battleship.

Huh, pity.
A badass character like dorn would expect a fiery, epic, novel death.

phantommaster wrote:He already came back. Many bad things happened...

Many bad things being an understatement.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blood_Angels_(Novel_Series)

phantommaster wrote:He already came back. Many bad things happened...

If your talking about the two Blood Angels novels when a Marine Grows a pair of wings and calls himself the new Bloody Handed (Sanguinius), then thats bollocks, it was that Inquisitor that was a Chaos agent, who mutated him.

If your not, then please do share, im keen to hear what happened

redkommando wrote:

phantommaster wrote:He already came back. Many bad things happened...

If your talking about the two Blood Angels novels when a Marine Grows a pair of wings and calls himself the new Bloody Handed (Sanguinius), then thats bollocks, it was that Inquisitor that was a Chaos agent, who mutated him.

If your not, then please do share, im keen to hear what happened

I was talking about that. It wasn't Sanguinius but it shows that very few people would believe him if he really did come back.

phantommaster wrote:

redkommando wrote:

phantommaster wrote:He already came back. Many bad things happened...

If your talking about the two Blood Angels novels when a Marine Grows a pair of wings and calls himself the new Bloody Handed (Sanguinius), then thats bollocks, it was that Inquisitor that was a Chaos agent, who mutated him.

If your not, then please do share, im keen to hear what happened

I was talking about that. It wasn't Sanguinius but it shows that very few people would believe him if he really did come back.

True, but i'm pretty sure if he did come back, he would come from a standard marine, he would just. . . . appear?? maybe??

redkommando wrote:

phantommaster wrote:

redkommando wrote:

phantommaster wrote:He already came back. Many bad things happened...

If your talking about the two Blood Angels novels when a Marine Grows a pair of wings and calls himself the new Bloody Handed (Sanguinius), then thats bollocks, it was that Inquisitor that was a Chaos agent, who mutated him.

If your not, then please do share, im keen to hear what happened

I was talking about that. It wasn't Sanguinius but it shows that very few people would believe him if he really did come back.

True, but i'm pretty sure if he did come back, he would come from a standard marine, he would just. . . . appear?? maybe??

Fairly certain there was some story about that. Brother Blood Angels, one starts to morph into Sanguinius and it turns out

Spoiler Tags people.

Grey Templar wrote:I prefer the other interpertation. The Sanguinor is actually Askellon, the only surviving member of the original Sanguinary Guard that Sanguinious left behind so the order would survive.

You should write it right.
Its something like Azkaellon