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Priceless...

How I imagine Mitt would respond, were he present:

Imaginary Mitt Romney wrote:Well, first off, let me say that it's shameful, the way you politicized the Olympics. These young Americans worked hard to get to where they are, spending years of their lives in sacrifice towards attaining glory for themselves, and their countries. They are the very finest of Americans, and I think they make us all proud. I can't think of a more contemptible act then tearing down these noble young men & women, and I think you owe them an apology.

I always feel that Mitt is short for Mittens...

Ouze wrote:How I imagine Mitt would respond, were he present:

Imaginary Mitt Romney wrote:Well, first off, let me say that it's shameful, the way you politicized the Olympics. These young Americans worked hard to get to where they are, spending years of their lives in sacrifice towards attaining glory for themselves, and their countries. They are the very finest of Americans, and I think they make us all proud. I can't think of a more contemptible act then tearing down these noble young men & women, and I think you owe them an apology.

And yet the point is still there...

His eyes are not so dark in that pic....when do you think he was turned?

purplefood wrote:And yet the point is still there...

Imaginary Mitt Romney wrote:Well, I look at someone like Ryan Lochte, who is out there in London making us proud. London is a great ally of ours, a strong US ally, one that Mr. Obama's failed policies has marginalized. Now, they're having the Olympics there, and Ryan Lochte... Ryan had a dream someday of representing his country, and he pulled himself up and made it happen. And, in attaining Ryan's dream, there were other businesses, small businesses, that Ryan's entrepreneurial spirit gave jobs. People who cleaned the pool, the people who make his rubber cap, the good men and women who make his earplugs. And Mr. Obama, he doesn't understand how American small business works, how it drives the economy of this great nation, and I think it's high time we had someone who did understand the great spirit of America that young people like Ryan Lochte represent. I think the way that Ryan Lochte's great sacrifices have been politicized here today are just reprehensible, and I think you owe Mr. Lochte an apology.

Ouze wrote:

purplefood wrote:And yet the point is still there...

Imaginary Mitt Romney wrote:Well, I look at someone like Ryan Lochte, who is out there in London making us proud. London is a great ally of ours, a strong US ally, one that Mr. Obama's failed policies has marginalized. Now, they're having the Olympics there, and Ryan Lochte... Ryan had a dream someday of representing his country, and he pulled himself up and made it happen. And, in attaining Ryan's dream, there were other businesses, small businesses, that Ryan's entrepreneurial spirit gave jobs. People who cleaned the pool, the people who make his rubber cap, the good men and women who make his earplugs. And Mr. Obama, he doesn't understand how American small business works, how it drives the economy of this great nation, and I think it's high time we had someone who did understand the great spirit of America that young people like Ryan Lochte represent. I think the way that Ryan Lochte's great sacrifices have been politicized here today are just reprehensible, and I think you owe Mr. Lochte an apology.

So it's everyone helping each other then?
Businesses don't just appear, they need to be built in the same way and Olympian gets to the Olympics.
It's a very similar thing admittedly with a few differences but the idea is fairly similar.
Unless someone literally managed to do everything themselves that is...

I think he also underestimates the amount of personal effort and work that the average elite athlete puts in to just getting to the Olympics, and every single one of them seems to be extremely thankful to all of those who have helped them. That seems like a huge insult to all the work and sacrifice they put in. The amount of work someone puts in to starting a business is nothing compared to the work of an elite athlete, and the potential rewards are huge compared to a shiny medal and a life of illness and injury.

Steve steveson wrote:I think he also underestimates the amount of personal effort and work that the average elite athlete puts in to just getting to the Olympics, and every single one of them seems to be extremely thankful to all of those who have helped them. That seems like a huge insult to all the work and sacrifice they put in. The amount of work someone puts in to starting a business is nothing compared to the work of an elite athlete, and the potential rewards are huge compared to a shiny medal and a life of illness and injury.

True, though starting a business isn't exactly a walk in the park either...

No, but it is just life. It's not easy, but what is. Its not a herculean effort beyond the ken' o' mortal man. Life isn't easy.

I have seen both, my dad was a world class oarsman back in 20's, only just missing out on an Olympic place in the 70's along with other achievements. He was also a dentist who owned ran his own surgery.

purplefood wrote:So it's everyone helping each other then?

Sorry, I was just trying to spoof how impossible it is to get a straight answer on even the simplest issue on a politician. It seemed a useful exercise since this is, really, a rhetorical thread anyway. What do you expect the guy or his surrogates to say, yeah, we're big fat hypocrites? They are politicians, it's part of the job.

Ouze wrote:

purplefood wrote:So it's everyone helping each other then?

Sorry, I was just trying to spoof how impossible it is to get a straight answer on even the simplest issue on a politician. It seemed a useful exercise since this is, really, a rhetorical thread anyway. What do you expect the guy or his surrogates to say, yeah, we're big fat hypocrites? They are politicians, it's part of the job.

Well everything they do becomes political.
You'd have thought at this point people would have learned to act better in public at least...

4oursword wrote:I always feel that Mitt is short for Mittens...

It's actually short for Mittler.

And yes, he's a flipflopper who can't remember jack squat. This has been established.

Mitt Romney is like a weird backwards version of 2004 John Kerry.

The real question is, is Obama going to organize rallies around Romney telling Athletes that "They didn't do it themselves?"

It's because, if Olympians are given less credit, Romney still gets his money, but if businesspeople are given less credit, Romney's finances are damaged, and so are those of all the people using their finances to get him votes.

I'm Republican and I approve this message.

Romney is an idiot. Obama is just as bad.

Ron Paul 2012.

If he isn't on the ballot, I'm voting for Sigmar.

I guess you could say Mr. Romney was for a community building achievements rather then an individual, before he was against it.

Ouze wrote:I guess you could say Mr. Romney was for a community building achievements rather then an individual, before he was against it.

Ouze, you didn't make that comment on your own. Someone came before you and made it possible. Quit taking all the credit.

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d-usa wrote:Mitt Romney is like a weird backwards version of 2004 John Kerry.

Backwards and far, far more vague.

Aerethan wrote:

Ron Paul 2012.

You know, if Ron Paul was the republican nominee, he would win in the current situation. Not sure why the didn't like him over the rest of the trash that was present.

It's because Ron Paul isn't in the right party. He's not "republican" enough.

I think the cat as an elected official was a step in the right direction.

Ron Paul is about as Independent as a Republican can get, thats why.

xole wrote:It's because Ron Paul isn't in the right party. He's not "republican" enough.

I think the cat as an elected official was a step in the right direction.

He is also quite insane on several policies

4oursword wrote:I always feel that Mitt is short for Mittens...

Kitten Mittens?

Insane is better than pants on head slowed.

Huffy wrote:

xole wrote:It's because Ron Paul isn't in the right party. He's not "republican" enough.

I think the cat as an elected official was a step in the right direction.

He is also quite insane on several policies

1. Every president has been "insane" on different things since the history of ever.
2. The definition of "insane" in this context in insanely subjective.
3. Do you really think Romney and Obama are better choices?

Honestly, I think a little insanity might do our country some good. We've been pussyfooting around for too long. Our economy is in the gakker, our foreign policy is a joke, and our military actions are questionable. We're so close to the bottom of the barrel that the odds of going further down are pretty slim.

But then, perhaps bottoming out is what this country needs in order to realize the amount of changes that need to be made. In which case, vote Obama.

Honestly, I think a little insanity might do our country some good. We've been pussyfooting around for too long. Our economy is in the gakker, our foreign policy is a joke, and our military actions are questionable. We're so close to the bottom of the barrel that the odds of going further down are pretty slim.

One would think that after eight years of bushes legitimate insanity one would be tired of it.

But then, perhaps bottoming out is what this country needs in order to realize the amount of changes that need to be made. In which case, vote Obama.

And if blank uninformed promises to "fix things when I'm elected" without details and massively conflicting ideologies are what this country needs vote mittens.

Mitt Romney: For when you want to expand defense spending while drawing down wars while cutting taxes while cutting defense spending while increasing our efforts in afghanistan while repealing obamacare while reducing health expenses while cutting health expenses while expanding health coverage while solving the deficit. If there's a thing someone wants somewhere mitt will give it to them. All he needs is your vote.

ShumaGorath wrote:
I want to expand defense spending while drawing down wars while cutting taxes while cutting defense spending while increasing our efforts in afghanistan while repealing obamacare while reducing health expenses while cutting health expenses while expanding health coverage while solving the deficit. If there's a thing someone wants somewhere mitt will give it to them. All he needs is your vote.

Said everyone who ever ran for president.

Not saying it's ok, just saying.

I'm all for healthcare for poor people. I'm on Medical which is California's health plan for people with low or no income. It's paid for by Californians, for Californians. Many things are not covered by it after you turn 18(vision and dental) but all emergency care and ambulance calls are, as well as most general practice needs and generic medications.

California has determined what system works for them, in their situation. Rhode Island may have completely different needs, or the same plan may not be financially viable.

I do believe that every state should have some form of public healthcare. But I believe that each state should decide how to do it.

Letting the federal government decide everything for us is a terrible idea.

To me, the federal governments job is to manage the states, to pass laws that apply to all states, maintain foreign policy and so on. We don't need the federal government dictating healthcare across the board, except perhaps for them saying that each state MUST have some form of public healthcare. Federal programs work for gak. Let the states decide what to do with their money.

States are honestly bad enough at managing their money, they don't need help. The federal government is probably the worst organization in the world at managing money. They spend it on all the wrong things at the wrong times. Several companies that were bailed out by the government still ended up declaring bankruptcy. Throwing money at problems doesn't work, but congress seems to think it does.

/rant

Ron Paul is not perfect, but then no one is. He is still worlds better than the other options.

Your posts are full of false equivalence, A. Not all politicians are the same, and no, Romney and Obama are not equivalent. There's a level on which I agree that the Dems and Reps are way too similar, too corrupt and too corporatist, but pretending they're the same is most of the time just an excuse for abdicating your responsibility to figure out which of them is genuinely better than the other, and voting that way.

Romney is in some ways unprecendented. His complete unwillingness to put forward any actual constructive policy ideas is honestly appalling. At least Kerry stood for something. And I don't know where people get the idea that Obama's been bad on foreign policy. I'd like us to get those wars ended a little faster, but overall he's done pretty darn well. Restored respectful and friendly relationships with most of the world after the problems of the Bush years. Handled Libya beautifully.

I admire Paul in some respects, but in some he is a dangerous nutjob. Idealism is admirable, but not when it leads to sincere advocacy of insane policies.

Namely his redonkulous position on eliminating the Fed and returning to the gold standard....I'd rather the economy get better than that...as well as his stance of complete isolation, it isnt practical