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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/02 18:25:30
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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Just a question and im looking for some opinions, when taking a halberd is a shield worth it? the model with the halberd is obviously going to be trying to get into CC and when it does the shield becomes useless. so are they even worth taking?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/02 18:57:16
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Which army? I can only speak for WoC and the answer is simple...
...always.
w/ shields, you get a 3+ vs shooting for a single point / model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/02 19:03:50
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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Empire halberdiers can take shields, but it's wasted points.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 00:33:39
Subject: Re:Shields and Halberds
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Paingiver
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So the answer is on Chaos Warriors the models are expensive and therefore the +1AS against shooting is worth it, for a State Trooper the Empire feels it's money is better spent giving another peasant a halbred and pajamas to wear.
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Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 01:02:02
Subject: Re:Shields and Halberds
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Yes, on expensive models it can be worth it, but on really cheap models its not.
Generally because cheap models have almost no save anyway so the extra one from the Halberd isn't all that useful.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 04:47:03
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Neophyte undergoing Ritual of Detestation
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For me it would be on stormvermin
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 05:37:02
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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The way I look at it is this:
If a model has a 6+ save, it will be useless 90% of the time. S4 is all too common. Making that a 5+ generally means a 6+ after modifiers, which is often a waste of points. 40 points is more useful in a list than having halberdiers who MIGHT survive 16% better, sometimes it won't help at all.
If a model has a 5+ save, it stands a little chance of surviving. If we can add +1 to it then there is a decent chance of survival, even at S4. So models with Heavy Armor should take shields where possible, even if it's only to soften shooting.
If a model has a 4+, a shield is almost compulsory. Most models with 4+ base saves are pricey, and 1 or 2 points more to protect that investment better is worth it, even if only against shooting.
For characters shields are must haves unless you plan on using GW or magic armor that can't be improved. If your character will be out on his own, the shield is mandatory just to help against shooting. Well worth the points.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 12:41:22
Subject: Re:Shields and Halberds
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Inspiring Icon Bearer
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I generally put shields on black orcs (whenever I get around to using them, that is) even though once they get into combat it's always double choppa or GW. One extra pip of armour against shooting is usually worth it on 10+ point models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/03 15:55:02
Subject: Re:Shields and Halberds
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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And Black Orcs can choose to use their shields in preference to their special weapons because of their Armed to da Teef special rule so you can actually benifit from the shield.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/23 18:02:45
Subject: Re:Shields and Halberds
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Knight of the Inner Circle
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As was said above, I never do on my halberdiers...They die easily anyway, why pay for shields when you can have more halberds?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/24 04:34:35
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
Victoria B.C.
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My non anvil woc units don't leave home without their shield anf halberd.
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Overview of the WoC army book.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/388667.page#3171854
Ralin Givens is the chaos to my warriors. Ra Ra Ra go team awesome I mean chaos
Tzack Vahr Zhen's unholy followers.
all hail Howie Mandel deal or no deal it dosnt matter tzeentch wins
Khorne flakes part of a good breakfast when you plan to kill maim and burn all!!!
Do you have enough Priests do you?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 09:49:19
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Gun Mage
In the Chaos Wastes, Killing the Chaos scum of the north
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On knights, Heroes, and expensive unit you need shields, and if shields come as standard, take the halberds if you can.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/09 03:47:48
Subject: Shields and Halberds
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Cosmic Joe
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My temple guard always have both, at first i was annoyed since i felt i'd like them cheaper without, but since then the shields have saved me from so many shots/spells that i'm extremely happy to have them.
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Nosebiter wrote:Codex Space Marine is renamed as Codex Counts As Because I Dont Like To Loose And Gw Hates My Army. |
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