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Ok, I have been tweaking my BA list again and here's what i have come up with:

HQ: Dante

Troops: Death Company Dread, Blood talons (boards Stormraven)

Troops: Sanguinary guard, 3infernus pistols, chapter banner, power fist (DS with dante for some precision melta action against ie. Landriders)

Troops: 10 Death Company, 1 power fists, 9 bolters drop pod (drop pod assault on turn 1 to harass enemy troops holding early objectives)

Troops: 10 Assault Squad, 2 meltaguns , sgt with powerfist (DS)

Troops: 10 tactical squad, missile launcher, plasma gun, sgt with meltabombs rhino with PMSB + HK missile (objective holders)

Heavy Support: Stormraven Gunship, TL lascannons, hurricane bolter sponsons, Typhoon missile launchers (providing atleast some anti-flyer action + jugging the DC dread into enemy lines)

1640pts.

Eldar allies:

HQ: Farseer, guide, RoWarding, (basically just there to give rangers a reroll to shooting and being the pain for enemy psychers with RoWarding)

Troops: 5 Pathfinders (some sniper action and objective camping)

210pts.

Well here's my list. Hope to hear some feedback about it. Will be playtesting the list in a couple of weeks so will see how it plays then. For now, i need to assemble and paint my stormraven and DC

edit: Did some modifications to the list

e: latest list edits done with red

I like the Eldar allies. I'm not as on board with the Furioso in a pod. While they are probably slightly less vulnerable, as the first two glances don't do much, they're still Melta bait, especially unsupported. I'd run in on the Stormraven.

The Tactical Marines would probably be better as something else. Why not swap them for Scouts with Cloaks, a Missile Launcher and an Aegis line with a Quad Gun?

How about if i switch the DC and furioso so, that the DC comes in via drop pod and the furioso arrives aboard the stormraven? This was my original plan, but don't know why i changed it to this list This way the death company can draw alot of fire, propably get a couple of guys in combat with enemy objective holders and the furioso will arrive on turn 2, assault something on turn 3 and not be blasted to bits Also the furioso could be changed to a DC dread as i intend on painting my stormraven in a DC color scheme (hate to paint red vehicles ). The DC dread gets more attacks, does not really need the improved front armor and is just bad ass. I have to playtest how the tactical marines fair as objective holders as the new overwatch and rapidfire made them alot better in 6th. If they don't get anything done in a couple of games, i could really concider dropping them for either some sniper scouts, or even more eldar pathfinders and aegis line with a quadgun for more anti-air.

Two things about your Eldar allies...first of, Pathfinder upgrade isn't worth the extra 5 points per model. You can always go to ground and get that 2+ save anyway.

Secondly your Farseer doesn't really need Runes of Witnessing(Runes of Warding are ace, of course), Guide isn't essential to cast every turn and you'll rarely fail a LD10 roll anyway. So that's 35 points you can spend on something in your BA list. Unless there's nothing you think you can improve, in which case, ignore what I said

Araenion wrote:Two things about your Eldar allies...first of, Pathfinder upgrade isn't worth the extra 5 points per model. You can always go to ground and get that 2+ save anyway.

Secondly your Farseer doesn't really need Runes of Witnessing(Runes of Warding are ace, of course), Guide isn't essential to cast every turn and you'll rarely fail a LD10 roll anyway. So that's 35 points you can spend on something in your BA list. Unless there's nothing you think you can improve, in which case, ignore what I said

Good point. well there's ofc some vehicle upgrades that i can think of, like the missiles for the drop pod and some extra armor, or weapons to the rhino. Other than that i can't think of anything good for the 35 pts.

Stormraven + DC is a gamble if the enemy can manage to shoot it down.
The droppodded Dread will be on it own in the enemy deployment zone.
The Eldar detachment may or may not help your army. Psychic protection is nice, but Rangers can be taken down with ease via cover ignorning weapons.

wuestenfux wrote:Stormraven + DC is a gamble if the enemy can manage to shoot it down.
The droppodded Dread will be on it own in the enemy deployment zone.
The Eldar detachment may or may not help your army. Psychic protection is nice, but Rangers can be taken down with ease via cover ignorning weapons.

The rangers are there just to give a cheap and somewhat effective troop choise, so that i can take the farseer to mess the opposing psykers psychic tests a bit. ofc this is not 100% effective but its better than a librarian with psychic hood. Also i am willing to take the gamble with the dread. Its not the main punch force of my army anyway so not that worried.

Okay.
I'd squeeze in a singing spear for the Farseer.

wuestenfux wrote:Okay.
I'd squeeze in a singing spear for the Farseer.

because?

masquerade81 wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Okay.
I'd squeeze in a singing spear for the Farseer.

because?

Just in case an enemy tank comes close.

Araenion wrote:Two things about your Eldar allies...first of, Pathfinder upgrade isn't worth the extra 5 points per model. You can always go to ground and get that 2+ save anyway.

But you can not precision shot after going to ground. The extra ap1 shot on a 5 is also pretty handy.

Well, the Pathfinder upgrade is well worth the points as it keeps the Rangers longer alive.

To each their own, but I'd much rather upgrade something else for a minimum of extra 25 points.

For this list you are rocking lots of plasma (good against MEQ and low armor value tanks) but you also have SG, DC and a DC dread... which is also good against MEQ...

My list of changes to make this list more competitive against a wider range of lists.

1) SG with 4 infernus and 1 plasma is huge overkill. Againt any one armored target with melta 3 is the nice math number for the good pen. With dante in tow you should only need 2 on the squad... also there base bolters are amazing, plasma is kinda wasted here. Scrap 2 infeus and 1 plasma... maybe take the company banner with the points saved for the +1 attack? (15-45 points saved)

2) If your Droppodding DC you best off giving them all bolters vs CCW/boltgun as it gives you a greater punch on landing + overwatch. Also you rapid fire before charge, so unless you are charging a 40 strong ork boy mob you will get alot more millage out of the bolters.

3) 10 tactical squad for objective holding... being the only armored target on the ground at all times this is a very tempted target to be shot at. You may want to consder taking a RAS instead in this for the points saved or the razorback to provide extra firepower.

4) RAS squad. Meltaguns > Plasma pistols. You loose 2 attacks in assault (RAS isnt good at assault really anyways) but gain str 8 shots with melta. No reason for plasma pistols to be taken when we got meltaguns. (though plasma pistols can be better then infernus pistols)

^ That being said, one power fist won't hurt the charge too much, I agree with the bolters comment.

So put full bolters for the DC but keep the fist? Sounds good. What is RAS? A bit of a noob with the shorts still :S possibly true with the SG being a bit overkill. Lucky i got two squads of models so can tune the weapon composition of the SG a bit keep the suggestions comming getting really good pointers about the list!

RAS - Regular assault squad. Old BA used to have Vetern Assault Squads (VAS) so we refer the the regular assault marines as RAS.... THE MORE YOU KNOW *RAINBOW*

I'M TELLING NBC ON YOU!!!

Araenion wrote:Two things about your Eldar allies...first of, Pathfinder upgrade isn't worth the extra 5 points per model. You can always go to ground and get that 2+ save anyway.

Only if they are in ruins, and besides, it's not like Going to Ground is anywhere near as good as having it standard so you don't need to constantly waste a turn of shooting. Not sure how AP1 on a 5+ isn't worth it either.

decided to keep the rangers as pathfinders. Don't have alot of use for the 25 pts as could do the changes to the list easily without the points. Edited list with red in OP

Well, the Eldar detachment is fine now, cheap and effective.