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I wrote this list to help a friend out, he has a beautifully painted space marine army, but as far as army lists are concerned he goes in more for what looks cool. Having lost to my venom spam again, I said I'd try writing him a list that could win more often. This is what I've worked out with the models he owns.

Pedro Kantor - 175
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, meltabombs - 190
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, meltabombs - 190

The sternguard combat squad, the plasma ride in rhinos, jump out and rapid fire, the missile launchers hang back and shoot whatever they can see; everything is scoring so objective missions should be no problem, and in the event of kill points they can stay together. As you can probably tell from the lack of melta we play in a relatively low vehicle meta, but the list is crammed with plasma to face Paladins and chaos termie spam.
So what do you reckon- are the missile launchers on the SG too sub-optimal/ what should they be replaced with, does there need to be more anti horde-ness or some melta for good measure?
Help a guy out?

To expand to 2000 (or 1999, avoiding the second FOC), what do people reckon to this:

Pedro Kantor - 175
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, 2 missile launcher, rhino - 320
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, 2 missile launcher, rhino - 320
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, 2 heavy bolters, rhino - 320
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, powerfist- 210
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, powerfist - 210
10 Tactical Maries, meltagun, multi-melta, powerfist - 200
5 Scouts, missile launcher, camo - 100
5 Scouts, missile launcher, camo - 100
Aegis Defence Line - 50

I know the HB are sub-optimal, but trying to stick to pre existing collection. For a full list of available models see the post below.

51 models at 1500 is pretty good. even though you play a low vehicle meta heavy weapons are always good. i like drop pods but thats just me.

15 combi plasmas is sweet i dont like the idea of stern guard hanging back it doesnt utilize there ammo well enough.

try making 3 squads of 7 stern guard 5 combi plasmas and then use the points to buy a devi squad with missiles. and if you have the points a thunderfire cannon or ADL

I would like to keep the sternguard squads at 10 models to keep the option of combat squadding, but I can't think of something better to stick on the 5 man squads without combi weapons :(

Don't that many bolter shots and rhino blocking handle anti horde pretty well?

Sitting SG in the background feels like a waste to me. Mid field is where they will be threatening, maybe behind an aegis even?

I also worry about what happens to your expensive marines when something does get into contact with them.

Crystal-Maze wrote:I wrote this list to help a friend out, he has a beautifully painted space marine army, but as far as army lists are concerned he goes in more for what looks cool. Having lost to my venom spam again, I said I'd try writing him a list that could win more often. This is what I've worked out with the models he owns.

Pedro Kantor - 175
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Sternguard, 5 combi-plasmas, missile launcher, rhino - 315
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, meltabombs - 190
10 Tactical Maries, plasma gun, plasma cannon, meltabombs - 190

The sternguard combat squad, the plasma ride in rhinos, jump out and rapid fire, the missile launchers hang back and shoot whatever they can see; everything is scoring so objective missions should be no problem, and in the event of kill points they can stay together. As you can probably tell from the lack of melta we play in a relatively low vehicle meta, but the list is crammed with plasma to face Paladins and chaos termie spam.
So what do you reckon- are the missile launchers on the SG too sub-optimal/ what should they be replaced with, does there need to be more anti horde-ness or some melta for good measure?
Help a guy out?

Cool list; I love the idea of running a ton of Sternguard and the fact that everything is scoring is tight.

That said, I'd ditch the rhino for some drop pods for the sternies, Have the Tac-marines run as backfield with ML's or another appropriate long-range, and make 2 of those sterns Combi-melta. The missile launcher on them is very YMMV, i'd trade it for another couple combi-weapons. This way you can drop the Combi-plasma squad right next to whatever needs to take plasma to the face first-turn, and the others can go where the melta is needed. I get the meta you play in is low-armour, but you still wanna be ready for it incase it does get fielded. Otherwise a single leman-russ will slap you around no problem.

This just an idea...

Kantor---175
10 tactical marines w/PG, PC---185
10 tactical marines w/PG, PC---185
10 Sternguard, 6 combi-meltas, drop pod- 310
10 Sternguard, 7 combi-plasmas, drop pod - 310
10 Sternguard, 7 combi-plasmas, drop pod - 310

Put Kantor in a plasma drop pod and turn 1 deep strike the pods with the meltas and Kantor, take out tanks etc. from behind and then just kill everything else with spec ammo.
Keep the tactical squads back to hold objectives and kill stuff with PC's etc.

Good luck!

I'm afraid there is a severe lack of drop pod models on offer ie/ none at all, trying to get a usable list out of an already existing collection.

Your point about the combi meltas is duely noted, will swap some of the armaments around.

Crystal-Maze wrote:I'm afraid there is a severe lack of drop pod models on offer ie/ none at all, trying to get a usable list out of an already existing collection.

Your point about the combi meltas is duely noted, will swap some of the armaments around.

Well the power of the Sternguard, which lies in their incredibly powerful shooting, is pretty lost by spending a turn or two getting into position in a rhino. Even if you have to order a drop pod, that is the delivery of choice for any Sternguard unit.

Can you list the models you have available? Any allies available?

Not knowing what models you do have, may I suggest a gun line:
175 Pedro Kantor

ADL+quadgun

217 Telion, 9 snipers with camo cloaks
90 5 sniper scouts with camo cloaks.

145 2 Lascannon sternguard
145 2 Lascannon sternguard
145 2 Lascannon sternguard

150 2combimelta, 3 combiplasma, (razorback or rhino or drop pod)
150 2combimelta, 3 combiplasma, (razorback or rhino or drop pod)
150 2combimelta, 3 combiplasma, (razorback or rhino or drop pod)

100 Thunderfire cannon
100 Thunderfire cannon
100 Thunderfire cannon

100 2 MM attack bikes
100 2 MM attack bikes
100 2 MM attack bikes

List of armament of models available:

26 bolters
15 generic combi weapons
3 missile launchers
1 multimelta
2 heavy bolters
2 plasma cannon
10 scouts (6 with bp and ccw, 4 with shotgun)
4 power fists
5 power fist terminators
4 power weapons
2 power weapon and storm shield
1 pedro
1 lysander
3 plasma guns
3 flamers
1 meltagun
1 plasma pistol
5 bp and ccw (sergents)
1 chaplain
1 standard bearer
2 apothecaries
5 assault marines (1 power weapon and one flamer)

4 rhinos
1 land raider redeemer
1 dreadnought w/ MM

Told you it was an eclectic mix.