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Here we go.. Couldn't find it anywhere else, just a bunch of discussions about Orks and Tyranids.

I was told a unit of Orks in cover are Leadership 30 when an Aspiring Sorcerer went to Psychic Shriek. I rolled two 6's and a 5. What's even more fun is that Ahriman was attached and he Shrieked as well, and rolled a total of 14 himself.

Pretty sure that would be some dead orks with no armor or cover saves, as LD can't go over 10.

So what's the dealio? I lost the game anyways, so it's no biggie. I just don't want to be screwed on Ork rules.

Thanks.

Orks may always choose to substitute the number of orks in their mob for their leadership value. If it is 11 or greater, they are fearless.

As you said yourself, the Leadership characteristic can never be higher as 10. No Leadership 30 nonsense.

Ork codex states that a "ork mob may always substitute the number of Orks in their mob for their Leadership value. If an Ork Mob numbers 11 or more it is Fearless" Their leadership is based on the number of mobs in the unit. If they had 30 models in their unit, then it was 10 for purposes of Shriek.

Shriek is rolling 3d6 and subtracting the enemy's leadership.

Edit: Forgot about capped stats.. LD would be 10 and Fearless. (Modifiers on pg 2)

Redemption wrote:As you said yourself, the Leadership characteristic can never be higher as 10. No Leadership 30 nonsense.

Although the BRB says no characteristic higher than 10, the Ork Codex says it is equal to the number of models. Codex vs BRB.

There was no codex on hand so I had to ask. I really hate when people don't have their book.

Thank you, gentlemen.

the mob's leadership max's out at LD 10. if their are 11 or more models in the mob, then the mob is fearless with a LD 10.

Interesting. I've always played like they were leadership 10, but RAW that may be wrong?

They've had plenty of time to faq this to cap it at 10..

pretre wrote:

Redemption wrote:As you said yourself, the Leadership characteristic can never be higher as 10. No Leadership 30 nonsense.

Although the BRB says no characteristic higher than 10, the Ork Codex says it is equal to the number of models. Codex vs BRB.

and in the FAQ under the weird boy it states his leadership using the mob rule can never go above 10.

Oooh, looks like that may resolve it right there. Nice find, sirlynchmob.

Maxed at 10.

Ahhhh this is the discussion I was looking to have.

Thanks again, fellas.

sirlynchmob wrote:

pretre wrote:

Redemption wrote:As you said yourself, the Leadership characteristic can never be higher as 10. No Leadership 30 nonsense.

Although the BRB says no characteristic higher than 10, the Ork Codex says it is equal to the number of models. Codex vs BRB.

and in the FAQ under the weird boy it states his leadership using the mob rule can never go above 10.

Doesn't it matter that the FAQ only applies to the weird boy? I.e. for other things that require the boys to have a leadership value, the faq is silent ?

Leadership can't go above 10, you use that value, because while you can use the number of boyz in the squad as the ld, since you can't go above 10... your leadership 10.

juraigamer wrote:Leadership can't go above 10, you use that value, because while you can use the number of boyz in the squad as the ld, since you can't go above 10... your leadership 10.

I completely agree. That's how I've always (will always) play mob rule.

I was just trying to parse out the codex trumps BRB, therefore the leadership = number of models, which ignores where the BRB says it's capped at 10.

The faq says this doesn't apply to the weird boy's psychic power test,

my question is just, why doesn't the codex overrule the BRB unless faq'd?

jcress410 wrote:my question is just, why doesn't the codex overrule the BRB unless faq'd?

Codex only wins if there's a conflict.

BRB sets a limit.
Codex doesn't mention a limit.

No conflict.

If the Codex said there was a limit of 5, 7, 10, 11, 15, or 30 then the Codex would win.

The ork codex doesn't give you permission to have a leadership above 10. The limit stands.

juraigamer wrote:The ork codex doesn't give you permission to have a leadership above 10. The limit stands.

Yup permissive ruleset.

So the ultimate question is...does Psychic Shriek get negated by Fearless? If not, then yah, there is some dead orks.

No, as they autopass Morale checks, not ALL Leadership tests.

Fearless doesn't make you auto-pass Leadership tests (only Pinning, Fear, Morale and Regroup tests), and the psychic power makes no mention of Fearless units being immune. So no, Fearless doesn't do anything against Psychic Shriek.

I just realized after 3 years of playing orks I could take the leadership value that equals the model count if I wanted to fail, so something like a troop nob and warboss need to take a test, test on leadership 2! Fall back, regroup on warboss leadership 9, go near objective, laugh.

Dammit, orks have combat tactics!

juraigamer wrote:I just realized after 3 years of playing orks I could take the leadership value that equals the model count if I wanted to fail, so something like a troop nob and warboss need to take a test, test on leadership 2! Fall back, regroup on warboss leadership 9, go near objective, laugh.

Dammit, orks have combat tactics!

Fail morale test. Sweeping advance. Both die. Oops.

That is interesting to say the least but it's a very circumstantial use when a morale check is forced.