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I'm looking to make a table-top(friendly) blood angels renegade army, that is not over powered. But not horrible, i don't like any of the Independent Characters in the Current BA Codex, except for Astoroth. I'd like some help making stat lines for at least 3 Different IC's. Note, i'm trying to tie the renegades into the chaos codex as well, because Kharn, sounds like a angry Death company marine (to me). please comment, or PM.

Thanks Dakka, Stay Classy.


THIS IS A WIP!

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Here is my first experimental IC, with two other IC's
--------------------------- WS BS S T W I A LD SV
Mortis Mal 220 pts. 7 4 5 4 4 5 4 10 2+/4++ IC
Lex 150 pts. ----------5 4 4 4 2 4/1 3 9 2+/5++ IC
Nicus 135 pts.-------- 4 5 4 4 2 4 1 9 2+/5++ IC


Equipment: Mortis Mal; Tilochus(power sword roll a D3 and gain that many attacks), Bolt pistol, Artificer Armour, Jetpack.
Lex; Brax(Thunderhammer), Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour, Jetpack.
Nicus; Ire of the Pit(Sterngaurd Boltgun w/Ammo) Bolt pistol, Artificer Armour, Jetpack.

Special Rules:
Mortis Mal 'Death shall take us both'
In the event that Mortis Mal loses a challenge and dies,
roll a d6 on 6+ make a S6 Attack at Mortis Mal's WS directed at his Challenger.
if it hits, roll to wound, if it wounds it causes Instant Death, No save allowed. This may not be used in conjunction with
Look out sarge' or any other special rule that would result in Mortis' survival.

Lex; 'Ambitious' Basically just a chapter champion
WIP

Nicus; Sniper

Please comment some opinions. i'm open to criticism, (Just not Die-hard this is a failed project type). Thanks

THIS IS A WIP

The Obsidian King wrote:
Lex 35 pts. -----------5 4 4 4 2 4 3 9 2+/5++ C
Nicus 35 pts.--------- 4 5 4 4 2 4 1 9 2+/5++ C[/b]

You need to quadruple those costs. Compare their costs to a Wolf Guard Battle Leader with the same equipment.

The Obsidian King wrote:
Lex 'Ambitious'
Roll a d6 after accepting a challenge. On a 4+ Lex strikes first.

This rule is absurdly overpowered given the nature and impact of challenges.

The Obsidian King wrote:
Nicus 'Yes, I still see you..'
If you are fighting using Dawn of war rules, You may have Nicus Re-Roll how far he can see,

See what? Only Eldar Harlequins involve any rolls to be seen.

So would 125 points work for Lex& Nicus and make them each IC, HQ units seperate?
and 6+ for Lex's challenge rule.
And lastly Nicus is supposed to be the best marksman in the Imperium(fluffed) so i'm just wondering, how switching that would be done, so it is possible to be seen in the table-top. would losing part altogether work?

In depth then:

Mortis Mal:
Tilochus(power sword roll D3+ attacks) - what does this mean? Add +d3 attacks?
Outside of that, he's got 60 points of captain/wolf lord gear, so 160 points.
But then he has 7WS, 4W, 5A+d3? Those are all rather significant.
His wonky last attack thing is actually pretty trivial so it's not much a factor in his cost.
All in all, I'd go with 220 points on this guy. He's faster, more offensive, tougher than most Space Marine chapter masters, so he should also be more expensive. I do applaud the lack of Eternal Warrior though.

Lex
Based on the other dudes with similar stat lines, this guy's about 70 base with 70 points in equipment, so 140.
If you want him to be a challenge master, just give him the same rules as a Company Champion in regards to challenges: must challenge, must accept, re-rolls hits and wounds. Throw another 10 points on for that: 150.

Nicus
That statline -1BS and +1A is worth 60.
40 points of gear, plus whatever we end up valuing sternguard ammo at, which entirely depends on how snipery you want him to be.
There's all kinds of rules you can go with for snipering: precision shots, cover save shenanigans, etc. Look at the snipers (Torias Tellion, Vindicare, rangers/pathfinders, etc) and figure out which rules you like. Can't figure out costs till then.

Also, do you mean Jetpack or Jump pack? There's a big difference. And where are these 5+ invulnerable saves coming from?

Mortis Mal; Yes sorry i didn't mention it's +d3 attacks, Mortis Mal is supposed to be a somewhere mixture of Kharn and Ragnar, but looking at kharn he has 5 attacks only because mark of khorne, so i should mark Mortis Mal, to 4 attacks +d3 attacks, and 4 wounds is a bit much now that i may look back. (he's not super-uber-man). and thanks, i'm not into eternal warrior really. death is death, the blood god demands it.

Lex; and okay but i was thinking of giving him a thunder hammer, which is why i kind of wondered if it was even plausible for a IC to have "roll a d6 on 5+ strike at normal initiative for the challenge" but i added in a drawback its not only 5+ which should be near impossible to pull of, but if he fails, all he is, is a company champion more or less.

Nicus; i'd say that making him a super sniper is valuing 60pts. base plus his special bolter 25pts. plus i'd say say two CC attacks is maybe worth a BS +1. Sterngaurd ammo goes three ways so 45-55 points? that puts him at 135pts. adding in 1-2 rules should amount to maybe 155-175? Just brainstorming.

The Obsidian King wrote:
Lex; and okay but i was thinking of giving him a thunder hammer, which is why i kind of wondered if it was even plausible for a IC to have "roll a d6 on 5+ strike at normal initiative for the challenge" but i added in a drawback its not only 5+ which should be near impossible to pull of, but if he fails, all he is, is a company champion more or less.

Oh, there's a thunder hammer involved? Then he should never have a "swing first" option. Your gear said "Relic Blade/Hammer", I thought that meant a relic blade in the shape of a hammer, not a relic blade and a thunder hammer. Add another 30 points if you want both and still don't allow any "swing first".

The Obsidian King wrote:
Nicus; i'd say that making him a super sniper is valuing 60pts. base plus his special bolter 25pts. plus i'd say say two CC attacks is maybe worth a BS +1. Sterngaurd ammo goes three ways so 45-55 points? that puts him at 135pts. adding in 1-2 rules should amount to maybe 155-175? Just brainstorming.

There's no determining what the sternguard ammo is worth without his sniping rules. If he gets to pick targets and ignore all cover, it's worth more than if he got Precision Shots on a 5+ (instead of only 6) and nothing about cover, for example.

Lex; It's just a thunder hammer, i was pushing ideas. thunderhammer works best. Sorry for not being clear, and do you mean to take out the "rolld6 rule for lex?

Nicus; shrouded from 6th ed? or monster hunter? and the sniper rule maybe? any sound plausible.

The roll to have him go first in challenges. It needs to not exist.

Lex; done. then what rule could be given to him. i don't want him to be a company champion and that be the end of it.