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Question in title.

Why would they be able to? There is no rule that gives skimmers skyfire.

Only if they are firing with a Skyfire weapon. Otherwise, no way.

only way i see it happening, is during the objective missions(3 and 4) where heavy support or fast attack units count as scoring units and they happen to control a "Skyfire" objective.

Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Hard to Hit is a special rule that only applies to Zooming flyers not all flyers.

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire.

I thought if you dropped to Hover mode you became a Fast Skimmer, wouldnt you loose Skyfire as well?

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Hard to Hit is a special rule that only applies to Zooming flyers not all flyers.

"Hard to Hit" is not the "Skyfire" rule.

Nope, the rule just says flyers can choose to shoot skyfire if they want. Nothing about having to zoom to have skyfire.

40k-noob wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire.

I thought if you dropped to Hover mode you became a Fast Skimmer, wouldnt you loose Skyfire as well?

Nothing says you are no longer a flyer, your are just treated as a fast skimmer, therefore you can still choose to shoot skyfire.


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Captain Antivas wrote:Nope, the rule just says flyers can choose to shoot skyfire if they want. Nothing about having to zoom to have skyfire.

Correctamundo. Are we debating the same point? haha

Goat wrote:

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Hard to Hit is a special rule that only applies to Zooming flyers not all flyers.

"Hard to Hit" is not the "Skyfire" rule.

I know. I think I may have not understood the point you were making.

k thank you guys!

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Hard to Hit is a special rule that only applies to Zooming flyers not all flyers.

"Hard to Hit" is not the "Skyfire" rule.

I know. I think I may have not understood the point you were making.

My fault I think I just threw a monkey wrench in with the stormraven, and not just overall the average skimmer.

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:

Captain Antivas wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Hard to Hit is a special rule that only applies to Zooming flyers not all flyers.

"Hard to Hit" is not the "Skyfire" rule.

I know. I think I may have not understood the point you were making.

No, he was saying that if a Flyer has gone into Hover Mode, it can still Skyfire at another Flyer.

To answer the OP. No. Only in special circumstances.

If the Skimmer has the Skyfire Special Rule
If it is controlling a Skyfire objective in the correct mission
Or as pointed out above

Goat wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire.

I thought if you dropped to Hover mode you became a Fast Skimmer, wouldnt you loose Skyfire as well?

Nothing says you are no longer a flyer, your are just treated as a fast skimmer, therefore you can still choose to shoot skyfire.

You have to loose the Flyer unit type otherwise you become a wreck for not moving at least 18"

A Flyer only crashes if it was Zooming and moved less than 18". It doesn't Zoom when in Hover mode.

Redemption wrote:A Flyer only crashes if it was Zooming and moved less than 18". It doesn't Zoom when in Hover mode.

Ahh yes. I got that mixed up. TY

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Just realised this is incorrect actually. When they drop into Hover Mode they become a Skimmer. Therefore they lose the ability to Skyfire.

phantommaster wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Just realised this is incorrect actually. When they drop into Hover Mode they become a Skimmer. Therefore they lose the ability to Skyfire.

phantommaster, If that were true then once they were in hover mode they would have to stay that way all game, as only Flyers can make a Zoom move.

Plus Hover is a type. so it is a Hover, Flyer.

P.70 tells us we can combine the Types.

"These types can be combined to define, for example, a Fast Skimmer or an Open-topped \Walker, in which case, the vehicle has all of the ruIes for all of its types."

So it has the Hover and Flyer rules.

In theory a vehicle can be a Heavy, Hover, Flyer, Transport, Tank, and it would have all the rules associated with all of those types.

phantommaster wrote:

Goat wrote:Storm Ravens are Flyer class, and even if they drop to hover mode, they are still a flyer class. They can shoot skyfire. But this example is not a unit that is always a skimmer.

Just realised this is incorrect actually. When they drop into Hover Mode they become a Skimmer. Therefore they lose the ability to Skyfire.

Just because it's treated as a fast skimmer doesn't mean it loses the flyer special rules. Nothing about being treated exactly as a fast skimmer means they can't skyfire.