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Considering that it was back in 2003 ( correct me if im wrong ) that the Forces of CHaos invaded the Cadian Gate and establishing a massive foothold in the Region with imperial forces holding the SPace above cadia and chaos holding hte majority of the ground. What could be done perhaps is that GW decides that the Imperials build enough strength from destroying WAAAGHHS , Hive Fleets ect. to launch a Massive counter attack to retake the Cadian Gate from the forces of Chaos , it could be similar to the last one where we enetered our results online and it tallied up what we have done , if the Imperials get to at least a 6.5% advantage over Chaos they can ( by online vote ) retake a particular planet from the forces of CHaos , but this would also lead to CHaos playing defensive and being able to loose worlds as opposed to the Imperials last time ....... Just thinking it was time that This Cadian Glory Boy can fight the good fight and take back his worlds, And im sure some imperials would agree with me .

I'd be up for a continuation of the campaign on 13th black crusade.
But your scenario does a disservice to the orks who stomped scarus sub sector flat.

If anything could argue a case for ork v chaos v imperial as the orks were on the verge of new waaagh.

I apologize for that , i've been in a Campagin where i've been fighting Nids .........65 losses , 64 Wins and 85 Ties , Whats depressing is hte Planet my Regiment was " stationed " to has no Statigic value .......i pissed someone off up top .... But to that point i havn't had the fortune of fighting in the Black Crusade so far , and if i remember correcly the Adeptus Sortias held hte orks at bay ,But i do agree with you on the Ork's v chaos and IM idea

No. Soriatus beat of the hive fleets I think.
The orks captured at least 5 worlds including a forgeworld in scarus I think.

I think we Actually held the Forge world , not by much but we did , Salamanders and Black Templar on that if i remember

Kasrkin229 wrote:...the Imperials build enough strength from destroying WAAAGHHS , Hive Fleets ect. to launch a Massive counter attack to retake the Cadian Gate from the forces of Chaos...

Eh? Destroying Waaaghs and Hive Fleets will make the Imperium stronger? Firstly, this isn't Warcraft; the Imperium can't just kill some other stuff to get XP and level up before taking on the Traitor Legions. Moreover, the next codex to be released will be Chaos Marines, if GW chose to expand upon the events of the 13th Black Crusade, it's unlikely to be to the Imperium's benefit, as a book describing how the followers of the Ruinous Powers sucked and died is unlikely to appeal to players. Finally, this is Warhammer 40,000; don't expect the Imperium's future to be bright, and don't expect its victories to be anything but bitter and temporary.

I never implied that at all , its called Freeing up REsources , if i have a BattleFleet tiedd up with orks and they win , thats an Extra fleet i can commet to other combat areas , i would just be happy with Chaos being Off of CAdia it'self i don't care about the other system really .......i would think another Raid on high Terra is in order ...

I'd be happy with chaos being off cadia too. With creeds head gaffer taped to the front of the planet killer.

Whats wrong with Creed ? Creed is what has had Cadia stay in one planet .

Kasrkin229 wrote:I never implied that at all , its called Freeing up REsources , if i have a BattleFleet tiedd up with orks and they win , thats an Extra fleet i can commet to other combat areas , i would just be happy with Chaos being Off of CAdia it'self i don't care about the other system really .......i would think another Raid on high Terra is in order ...

Only if the battlefleet is still able to fight. Regardless, it might matter little how many reinforcements the Imperium could theoreticaly muster, the Cadian gate is currently engulfed in warpstorms
which make both communication and warptravel extremely difficult.

Kasrkin229 wrote:I think we Actually held the Forge world , not by much but we did , Salamanders and Black Templar on that if i remember

You remember incorrectly.

Again read the results:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/392010.page

The forge world in the Scarus Sector was Mordax Prime. Having 0.4% at the end is hardly holding it.

A quick summary would be...

The imperium got tabled across virtually every vital sector with exception of belis Corona I think.

They have fleet assets, but their planets are gutted.

http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/eyeofterror/death_by_thousand_cuts.html

Some stuff from back then. Also, it's called Sororitas, dammit!

6E fluff seems to present Armageddon and the Cadian Gate as "permanent" warzones in that the war is meant to be ongoing - which will probably never change, given GW's reluctance to move the timeline forward beyond M41. For Armageddon, this is not surprising, as the campaign end as well as the Codex have already suggested that it will take the Imperium several decades to fully secure the system. For the 13th Black Crusade, however, it seems the writers have rolled back the time a bit - to a point where the war did not even start in earnest. I wonder if this was an oversight or whether they have any plans to revisit the Black Crusade in the near future, possibly with another book?

Lynata wrote:http://redelf.narod.ru/w40k/eyeofterror/death_by_thousand_cuts.html

Some stuff from back then. Also, it's called Sororitas, dammit!

6E fluff seems to present Armageddon and the Cadian Gate as "permanent" warzones in that the war is meant to be ongoing - which will probably never change, given GW's reluctance to move the timeline forward beyond M41. For Armageddon, this is not surprising, as the campaign end as well as the Codex have already suggested that it will take the Imperium several decades to fully secure the system. For the 13th Black Crusade, however, it seems the writers have rolled back the time a bit - to a point where the war did not even start in earnest. I wonder if this was an oversight or whether they have any plans to revisit the Black Crusade in the near future, possibly with another book?

Ya think? The impression I got was not complete victory by Chaos, just over the gates in massive numbers, the Black Crusade of them all... they dont have to roll through system after system.. A Armageddon type war is acceptable given the circumstances over the last 10000 years.

Eetion wrote:Ya think? The impression I got was not complete victory by Chaos, just over the gates in massive numbers, the Black Crusade of them all... they dont have to roll through system after system.

"Abaddon's Thirteenth Black Crusade looks to be the most devastating yet, aiming to smash aside the defences of the Cadian Gate and bringing great ruin to swathes of the Cadian sector. Some Imperial augurs and advisors have suggested that Abaddon's previous twelve campaigns, as devastating as they ended up being, were mere precursions to this main thrust. Mighty Cadia itself is preparing to be battered as never before. Perhaps this is the beginning of the end, the apocalyptic and ultimate battle, the Black Crusade that will finally punch all the way through the Cadian system and see Abaddon fulfill his oath to return once more to the Imperial Palace on Terra to finish the fight started by Warmaster Horus so long ago."
-- 6E rulebook p230

Granted, still leaves some room for interpretation, but on the other hand it really doesn't sound as if things would have started to "get real" yet - just that they are about to. Pilau Rice pointed it out to me, for until recently I too believed that the writers had just rolled the war back to the point where the worldwide campaign had ended.

Mehh just would be good to see some progress

progress in the story would be nice, but we are talking about GW here.

I can understand that you'd want a chance to fight in an event that dictates fluff (sucks I wasn't playing when chaos was bending loyalists over posts) but still there is a big chance chaos could win again and I don't think GW would be able to stomach that. There needs to be a semblence of stagnation don't you know.