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Is a Ghost Ark only limited to bring back necron warriors when it uses the repair barge ability?

You open the can of worms good sir. Dangerous territory.

sounddemon wrote:Is a Ghost Ark only limited to bring back necron warriors when it uses the repair barge ability?

Yes, but I suppose you need to be more clear on what you're actually getting at here.

Can a ghost ark ( in essence ) bring back immortals/crypteks/necron lords? Maybe even pushing it further to say any unit with reanimation protocol.

No, it can only bring back any Warriors and any attached Royal court members

I take it you were playing against or with Monasou, Sounddemon?

What about necron lords are they able to come back through repair barge; if they are part of the same unit?

Necron Lords, attached to the unit as part of the royal court, CAN be brought back.

sounddemon wrote:What about necron lords are they able to come back through repair barge; if they are part of the same unit?


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Indeed I stomped that fool without any effort.

As Nos said, Lords and Crypteks but NOT overlords/destroyer lords (or any special HQ character).

Aye, only warriors and anything attached to them.

Really gets some use out of the 140 point Lord with the works.

Thanks for the responses, really appreciate it.

sorry to necro the thread, but rather than start a new one i thought i would add a question to this one.

Does the Repair barge ability still work if a Lord/Cryptek is the last member of his unit still standing? The rules for characters would seem to suggest that it would:

Pg 63
'They are effectively just another trooper in their unit, with enhanced characteristics and perhaps a wider selection of weapons and wargear choices'

My understanding of this rule is that the lord/cryptek would simply count as a necron warrior for most rules purposes, but have additional special rules. by extension allowing a lone surviving lord/cryptek to also count as a scoring unit in most situations.

Is this a correct interpretation?

I believe that is how people play it. If the barge can bring back crypteks/lords then it would stand reason to believe it could bring back warriors when only the lord/cryptek is standing.

Where are you seeing the rules to allow attached members of the royal court to be brought back by the Ghost Ark repair barge rule?

The rule says "nominate a unit of Necron Warriors..." and then add models based on the roll results.

Nowhere does it state or imply you can add a Lord or Cryptek to the unit. I didn't see anything in the FAQ either. It makes sense that if the Royal Court member was the last standing from the original unit of warriors you could make the rolls, but I don't see how it can bring back a Royal Court member.

fursphere wrote:
Where are you seeing the rules to allow attached members of the royal court?

The rule says "nominate a unit of Necron Warriors..." and then add models based on the roll results.

Nowhere does it state or imply you can add a Lord or Cryptek to the unit.

The lord/cryptek are a member of the unit of warriors. Where does the ghost ark say you have to bring only warriors back to life to a warrior unit?

fursphere wrote:
Where are you seeing the rules to allow attached members of the royal court?

The rule says "nominate a unit of Necron Warriors..." and then add models based on the roll results.

Nowhere does it state or imply you can add a Lord or Cryptek to the unit.

Right, nominate a unit of Necron Warriors. The Cryptek/Lord, is a normal member of the Warriors.
Add models, context tells us that this refers to Warriors, however, from a strict RAW reading, you can add ANY model, such as a Carnifex, a Land Raider, or an Ethereal.

fursphere wrote:
Where are you seeing the rules to allow attached members of the royal court to be brought back by the Ghost Ark repair barge rule?

The rule says "nominate a unit of Necron Warriors..." and then add models based on the roll results.

Nowhere does it state or imply you can add a Lord or Cryptek to the unit. I didn't see anything in the FAQ either. It makes sense that if the Royal Court member was the last standing from the original unit of warriors you could make the rolls, but I don't see how it can bring back a Royal Court member.

necron codex pg 90, royal court:

'Before the battle, each member of the royal court has the option of being split off from his unit (the royal court) and assigned to lead a different unit....'

Lords and crypteks are characters, and so follow the rules on Pg 63 of the rulebook, in effect your lord/cryptek becomes an upgrade for the unit, and so will count as a necron warrior if leading a unit of warriors, or a member of whatever unit he is leading. the doubt i had was whether he continued to be counted as a necron warrior if he was the last member standing, and whether my interpretation (he does) was the correct one.

Thanks everyone for answering me

Yes, this is another case of RAI gone wrong. Context says that Warriors are returned to the unit, however the rule just says models. So technically by RAW it can be anything attached to the unit. Even by that wording you could add d3 Lords to the unit.

The rule say that it cannot go above the unit's starting size. So in a unit with 9 warriors and 1 Lord, that's the limit of what you can have after the repair.

copper.talos wrote:
The rule say that it cannot go above the unit's starting size. So in a unit with 9 warriors and 1 Lord, that's the limit of what you can have after the repair.

Assuming you have 1 Warrior and 1 Lord left in your unit. What is to stop you from adding d3 Lords with Ghost ark?

Because you had 1 lord in the unit to begin with. 1 lord is the maximum.

Why is 1 lord the maximum ?

You started off with 1 lord. You cannot exceed the starting numbers. 1 is the limit. Ergo, no free lords for you, stop being a cheesy git.

And I call foul on being able to bring back court members to begin with. Unfortunately, that hasn't been FAQ'd yet, meaning there's nothing to stop WAAC asshats from trying it, which consequently will result in more people whining about necrons.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
You started off with 1 lord. You cannot exceed the starting numbers. 1 is the limit. Ergo, no free lords for you. stop being a cheesy git.

Cite some rule for this, because its not in the Ghost Ark Repair rule.

Consider this - Lords are characters. Characters count as part of a different unit when attached to warrior squad for the purpose of determining RP
> If, and I mean IF we let characters be eligible for the GA Repair rule, then for fairness sake the number of characters in that warrior unit should be maximum limit, otherwise you could spawn something like 9 necron lords wielding scythes and MSS

But, ok, fine, you can try doing it.
I hope you like having necron lords shoved into your nostrils.

Do you actually think paying 115 pts for a slow open topped transport that can carry only warriors and lacks any serious firepower is a good deal just to bring back 1 model?

I field one only because I love the model. Eventually I'll get another NS...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Consider this - Lords are characters. Characters count as part of a different unit when attached to warrior squad for the purpose of determining RP

The character is part of that unit. Not a different unit. Perhaps your confused with Independent Characters.

But again you cite nothing to support your position.

I am on the position that your opponent may not take kindly to you spawning decked out lords due to a loop hole.

I would never do something like that. Do you know why? Because its 100% bullcrap, and that is not what the ark is meant to do! Its meant to bring back warriors, and nothing more. It even says "warrior unit," but thanks to poor wording every RAW fanatic is going to insist characters can benefit from it as well.

And reread what I said. For the purposes of determining RP. Those are in the rules.


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copper.talos wrote:
Do you actually think paying 115 pts for a slow open topped transport that can carry only warriors and lacks any serious firepower is a good deal just to bring back 1 model?

Its an AV13 vehicle that allows soldiers to shoot out of it AT WILL (open top has its advantages), has living metal (which though not as effective as its predecessor, is still handy) and it allows you to resurrect up to 3 13 point models a turn. Yeah, I think its worth 115 points.
I never said it can only bring back 1 model. He can still bring back warriors.

Oh! And its a skimmer, meaning it gets jink whenever it moves.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I am on the position that your opponent may not take kindly to you spawning decked out lords due to a loop hole.

I would never do something like that. Do you know why? Because its 100% bullcrap, and that is not what the ark is meant to do! Its meant to bring back warriors, and nothing more. It even says "warrior unit," but thanks to poor wording every RAW fanatic is going to insist characters can benefit from it as well.

And reread what I said. For the purposes of determining RP. Those are in the rules.


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copper.talos wrote:
Do you actually think paying 115 pts for a slow open topped transport that can carry only warriors and lacks any serious firepower is a good deal just to bring back 1 model?

Its an AV13 vehicle that allows soldiers to shoot out of it AT WILL (open top has its advantages), has living metal (which though not as effective as its predecessor, is still handy) and it allows you to resurrect up to 3 13 point models a turn. Yeah, I think its worth 115 points.
I never said it can only bring back 1 model. He can still bring back warriors.

It's in the rules for RP, so what? Are you also going to contest that the lords/crypteks attached to Warrior and Immortal units don't count as scoring?

The rules for RP can not be used as a basis for anything else other than RP.

 Kevin949 wrote:


It's in the rules for RP, so what? Are you also going to contest that the lords/crypteks attached to Warrior and Immortal units don't count as scoring?

No, of course not. That's absurd.
As absurd as letting the Ghost Ark make squads of 9 lords and 1 warrior.