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I recently came across this thing called hover hand that's supposedly a male virginity test. It does seem like a load of gak, but I'm not sure if the hover hand itself is even real. I did give some crediblity to Jungfrauschritt as correlation rather than cause, but this seems weird. I'm wondering if there's anyone else who's heard of this or noticed it. I'm wondering if it's actually something that people do or if maybe this is a case of people just happening to take the picture before the hand made contact, and across the internet, you can find several pictures like that.

On looking for the original pictures I saw to post here, it seems that this is some sort of internet meme. I'm all for looking into the subconscious behaviors and mannerism, when there is a genuine psychological basis, but this seems like nonsense. Then again, not touching a girl is pretty weird...

I've seen it once or twice IRL, it seems rather common at cons...

I'd say it's more of a self confidence test more than a virginity test.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I've seen it once or twice IRL, it seems rather common at cons...

That's what I imagine! I have known various people who would be likely do to that, but it just seemed like a very unusual personality and social phobia.

It's definitely a self confidence thing, a quick bit of google fu led me too some pictures of some very awkward looking geeky types with some very pretty young ladies....

I hadn't even heard of it until now.... *shrugs*

Goliath wrote:I'd say it's more of a self confidence test more than a virginity test.

Yeah, I definitely agree there. I also see that is being a correlation; having confidence is a huge part of what it takes to get a girlfriend (at least if you don't have much else) or to at least have a one night stand. That, and not caring, are important, to anyone who can use the advice. The sympathy tactic doesn't work, as a lot of desperate people talk themselves into. Even getting lucky with someone easy on that tactic doesn't work either. Virginity is often equated with low social status, so you have instinct to thank for that, and a slut is probably going to want someone good.


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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:It's definitely a self confidence thing, a quick bit of google fu led me too some pictures of some very awkward looking geeky types with some very pretty young ladies....

I hadn't even heard of it until now.... *shrugs*

Was kind of my first reaction, until I decided to psychoanalyze it. Wasn't Dondrekhan's reaction when I told him about Jungfrauschritt through.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

Goliath wrote:I'd say it's more of a self confidence test more than a virginity test.

Yeah, I definitely agree there. I also see that is being a correlation; having confidence is a huge part of what it takes to get a girlfriend (at least if you don't have much else) or to at least have a one night stand. That, and not caring, are important, to anyone who can use the advice. The sympathy tactic doesn't work, as a lot of desperate people talk themselves into. Even getting lucky with someone easy on that tactic doesn't work either. Virginity is often equated with low social status, so you have instinct to thank for that, and a slut is probably going to want someone good.


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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:It's definitely a self confidence thing, a quick bit of google fu led me too some pictures of some very awkward looking geeky types with some very pretty young ladies....

I hadn't even heard of it until now.... *shrugs*

Was kind of my first reaction, until I decided to psychoanalyze it. Wasn't Dondrekhan's reaction when I told him about Jungfrauschritt through.

I think theres also an element of maturity as well though. I know that I used to do it (about 3 or so years ago, when I was 15) but back then I had very few freinds, had been going to an all boys school for 4 years, and before then the only girls that I'd interacted with had ended up teasing me (I was bullied at school pretty consistently for the first 5 years of school), and I only really started making freinds with girls at around 15. Combine that with the fact that I really really really didn't like being touched, and I had a classic case of hoverhands.

Fast forwards to now, and I'm perfectly fine with physical contact, and am no longer a victim of hover-hand. Put it down to growing up, or actually interacting with people who weren't making my life a misery.
Actually, it could partly be a measure of maturity.

Goliath wrote:
I think theres also an element of maturity as well though. I know that I used to do it (about 3 or so years ago, when I was 15) but back then I had very few freinds, had been going to an all boys school for 4 years, and before then the only girls that I'd interacted with had ended up teasing me (I was bullied at school pretty consistently for the first 5 years of school), and I only really started making freinds with girls at around 15. Combine that with the fact that I really really really didn't like being touched, and I had a classic case of hoverhands.

Fast forwards to now, and I'm perfectly fine with physical contact, and am no longer a victim of hover-hand. Put it down to growing up, or actually interacting with people who weren't making my life a misery.
Actually, it could partly be a measure of maturity.

Yeah, I agree. Conditions like Autism can cause people to not touch or want to be touched. They, as well as the generally socially awkward, might also find it difficult to know how to touch other people.

Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

Goliath wrote:
I think theres also an element of maturity as well though. I know that I used to do it (about 3 or so years ago, when I was 15) but back then I had very few freinds, had been going to an all boys school for 4 years, and before then the only girls that I'd interacted with had ended up teasing me (I was bullied at school pretty consistently for the first 5 years of school), and I only really started making freinds with girls at around 15. Combine that with the fact that I really really really didn't like being touched, and I had a classic case of hoverhands.

Fast forwards to now, and I'm perfectly fine with physical contact, and am no longer a victim of hover-hand. Put it down to growing up, or actually interacting with people who weren't making my life a misery.
Actually, it could partly be a measure of maturity.

Yeah, I agree. Conditions like Autism can cause people to not touch or want to be touched. They, as well as the generally socially awkward, might also find it difficult to know how to touch other people.

I have Aspergers, and at the time I was talking about (when I was 15 or so) you could tell quite quickly just from the way that I behaved that there was something a bit off with me. I still have the whole "people touching me" thing, but it's mainly when complete strangers touch me (as in hugging or poking or shaking hands) that I have issues with, if I know the person and like them, them it's fine.
I was a socially awkward kid with Aspergers, now I'm just a slightly odd guy.

(I'm talking serious social ineptitude, three girls from a nearby school rented out a club for a joint birthday party, months after their actual birthdays, and I was invited. I heard the word "party" and for some reason bought all three of them birthday cards, despite only knowing one of them.)

I fear even shaking other peoples hands or high fiving them, i might hover hands aswell. It just some arent comfy with skin to skin contact.

I have Asperger's Syndrome, though it's very mild, especially now. I've heard that there is a very small number of people who lose the diagnosis when they get older. Not sure if I fall into that category though. I had someone tell me that I'm socially normal. He did only meet me after starting high school through.

I don't really have an issue with touching other people, except I can get suspicious if I think people are talking down to me. I also get suspicious if people are too friendly, but I don't think that's been an issue since middle school. Even then, I generally fit in the mostly popular kids. There were problems because the school did a piss poor job with the classes I was put in, and put me in with kids that at that age, I didn't want to be associated with.

I am, if anything, too tactile.
I think it's only a young person's thing. Social awkwardness didn't exist before 1995.

You don't have to suffer from Asperger's to not appreciate total strangers touching you. Just saying.

I really wouldn't take being given a photo-op with somebody as an invitation to put my clammy hands all over them. Then again I probably wouldn't be one of those folks to go around bugging people for photos at cons. If I went to cons.

Am I the only person in this thread who appreciates human contact?

Testify wrote:Am I the only person in this thread who appreciates human contact?

Most definitely.

I can go to bed satisfied that I have this day, learned something.


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Testify wrote:Am I the only person in this thread who appreciates human contact?

My several children prove I do.

Manchu wrote:You don't have to suffer from Asperger's to not appreciate total strangers touching you. Just saying.

Well, yeah. Maybe I should have pointed out non-normal touching, but I thought that would be obvious...


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Testify wrote:I am, if anything, too tactile.
I think it's only a young person's thing. Social awkwardness didn't exist before 1995.

I also seem to think the term is overused and too many people identify as "socially awkward."

I once saw Socially Awkward Penguin called Socially Average Penguin for that reason. Too many people using common experiences in it.

And I think I just went off into left field again by talking about memes.


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Testify wrote:Am I the only person in this thread who appreciates human contact?

No.

Testify wrote:Am I the only person in this thread who appreciates human contact?

I appreciate human contact, just not always human touching
I don't mind friends touching me if it's vaguely expected (for a photo or something) and, like most human, happen to enjoy certain other forms of contact

I don't mind handshakes, but anything past that I am iffy with. Comes with the mild paranoia.

Hover hand is a real thing. I know that before I ever had a girlfriend, in a situation where you're supposed put your hand on a girl like in a photo you have no idea if it's okay if you're somehow doing something wrong or whatever.

Getting a girlfriend and having sex changes that. Not consciously, but once you've been in a relationship with a girl you start seeing girls as just other people, and so putting your arm around them in a photo doesn't have any kind of awkward connotation anymore, instead it's just putting your arm around a girl for a photo.

And then you start to notice other guys in exactly the same situation. And so hover hand is discovered.

I generally don't like putting my arms around people I don't know and am conscious of inposing this rudeness upon others. I'm not sure how often I would have a photo with someone I didn't know but felt compelled to put my arm around, but I would probably suffer from 'hover hands' then because the level of contact might not feel appropriate.

With people I do know, men or women, I'm prefectly comfortable putting my arms around them, it's got nothing to do with virginity or not.

I'm quite clingy, but I wouldn't put my hand on a girl unless she was OK with it. Just a thing of respect.

Like I say though, I am a massive cuddle bug. Mmm...Hugs.

Yeah, but the strange thing is here (at least in these pictures) is that the guys clearly know that this is a situation where they should put their arm around a girl, and they do it, yet they do not make contact with their hand.

Oddly, it seemed less like a "virgin detector" before I posted then now. But make no mistake; I don't believe in X indicates Y urban myths. Such things are a joke or an over simplification.


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Virginity Test

If this picture makes you angry, then I have bad news for you.

Oh man, that was funny! Well played.

Here's an awesome picture:

Huh. I had never heard of this prior to now. Interesting, and a little sad.

I might not always enjoy human contact, but I know when it is appropriate. One of those times is certainly when you have an arm around Summer fething Glau.

I only enjoy touching if it's inappropriate.

Ive hover handed the very few famous people IVe met in my life. I see it like this, if this were some random joe on the street, would I want my arm around him? No. So I look at it the same way, famous folk get Herpes too yanno

I hate touching people. I don't like shaking hands. I can't stand hugging.

but worst of all.... I never learned how to read!