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I'm thinking of getting into Daemons of Chaos. For both Fantasy and 40K. I'd like to use the same army for either but don't want to deal with different bases. Would it be a problem to use square based Daemons in a 40k game?

Not sure. I think round is a requirement. I do know that for Daemons it is possible to buy Fantasy style movement trays that have round slots in them.

Basically, model for 40k and pop them into that tray for Fantasy.

Most tournaments will probably require you to have the round bases.

In friendly games, most people don't care all that much as long as you aren't using the shape of the base to your advantage. I would just be careful about pivoting your models when you move them. You can turn a model on a square base in order to gain a little extra movement. Not enough to win you every game but enough to make more of those charge distance rolls go your way.

Unless of course the model is an older 40k greater daemon. Those from 3rd edition or before had square bases for sure and would be allowed since that was the base that came with the model. My Eldar avatar has a square base and nobody I've played has caused me any grief.

I think even standard movement trays will accommodate round bases in close to even ranks, but I'm not a fantasy player so I'm not 100% sure.

Theyneed to be model on the bases they are supplied with.

You want round? No prob.

Want square? Also not a problem.

Want a mix of both square and round? Nothing can stop you.

However the round bases can easily be magnetized and "snap" right onto square bases.

I've known people to have done this and it looks and works fine.

I strongly recommend round bases.

Whether GW means for you to be able to use the square bases in 40k is arguable, but I don't think it's the intent.

In addition, there are several mathematically-measurable game advantages you gain by using square bases in 40k. IME it's a PITA to try to avoid using those benefits with your square bases, so as not to inadvertently gain an advantage.

Whereas in WHFB it doesn't matter (except for Daemon Princes, Juggernauts, and Greater Daemons), because you're always on a movement tray anyway.

If you want all the details I'll give you a couple of links where I break it down. But in short, you're best off putting the models on rounds, and if you're using models which go on 60mm rounds, magnetize or pin them to make them swappable between the 60mm rounds and the 50mm squares they use in WHFB.

RAW you're perfectly allowed to use square bases.

Thing is, that would annoy a lot of people, and since it's easy enough to put round bases into square movement treys, you're best off just using round.

I have models on square bases. I have models on no bases, because they didn't come with one. I also have terminators on little bases, and stuff on scenic bases that are the wrong size. Nobody, in 20 years, has ever cared either way. Would opponents really get upset over this?

obithius wrote:I have models on square bases. I have models on no bases, because they didn't come with one. I also have terminators on little bases, and stuff on scenic bases that are the wrong size. Nobody, in 20 years, has ever cared either way. Would opponents really get upset over this?

At tournaments they do. Not because of people like you, but because of other people sticking their bloodletters on a beautiful and awesomely painted 10" base, just to get assault advantages out of it.

AegisGrimm wrote:I think even standard movement trays will accommodate round bases in close to even ranks, but I'm not a fantasy player so I'm not 100% sure.

This, I used to play Daemons in both settings and you can model them on round bases and they will still fit into the movement trays in ranks. The squad and round bases share the same dimensions in width.

The best thing to do is to use Daemons on Round bases, then get LOTR movement trays / make your own Movement Trays with round slots.

Ovion wrote:The best thing to do is to use Daemons on Round bases, then get LOTR movement trays / make your own Movement Trays with round slots.

That doesn't really work, The LoTR trays are not large enough to hold enough infantry for WHFB.


Trust me, just use the modular movement tray, the round bases wil fit into the little square grid and actually makes it easier to get them into rank since you can twist them around to make them all fit together.

I've seen several people use the LOTR bases, for larger squads they join them together.

Personally when I start my Daemons I'll be buying a 25mm, 40mm and 60mm drill bit and make bases out of mdf / plastic sheets.

Litko make plywood movement trays for circular bases:

http://www.litko.net/products/Rank-Tray%2C-5x5-Formation%2C-20mm-Circle-Bases.html#.UCznZKmPWdY