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Not their dark cousins, I'm interested in Craftworld Eldar.

I'm looking for so me help on how to get started with them (besides the codex).

I'm thinking lots of units on foot, minimal vehicles (preferably none), possibly with Eldrad and/or a Farseer as an HQ.

Can anybody help me out?

Now bear in mind this is just gorgaraks 00.2$.

To level with u, I don't know how ur gonna do eldar without some form of transport. You'll have an army of toughness 3, 4-5+ save models who are gonna get chewed up in a turn if you go running across the board. So bearing that in mind I'll have to have alot of distractions to keep ur heavy hitting cc safe.

Only thing I can think of is some swooping hawks to harass and infiltrate some rangers or striking scorpions (which I'm not sure if scorps infiltrate) and tool up a seer council to go wreck things in cc. You could take allies with some more sturdy infantry to take the hits. I'm sure there are tons of units to fill that role.

Your gonna want some dark reapears to deal with MEQ and prob a couple units of dire avengers to deal with GEQ. Definitely get as farseer. Heck get eldrad. If not get two farseers to constantly doom and fortune or guide your troops.
Run an avatar maybe to take some extra hits as well. Bear in mind it'll be chewed up quick so don't expect it to make it to combat. If it does then huzzah! Khaine has smiled on you indeed if that's the case.

Move through cover and keep those cc units safe as possible.

Just my opinion! Good luck. Ambitious of u! Get some fire dragons to pop vehicles etc as well.

Scorps can infiltrate if you buy the power to their exarch (name escapes me at the moment).
But it's pretty much what the poster above said; get Eldrad and an Avatar for footdar.

Also try reading this thread even if it's old. It might still have a few gold nuggets hidden within:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/402275.page

Don't want to keep you from getting into them. First off I have been an Eldar player for almost 19 years now and I'm packing mine up until a new codex comes out. Just to broken with the 6th ed rules. They need a lot of fixin' for me to field mine again. Banshees just took a bad hit, wave serpents, scorpions need access to haywire grenades, there is alot more for my play style. Others will disagree my assessment but my playstyle got totalled as well as for my DE too. The army has some of the nicest models made and you may find it to be just the thing for you. Research the dex before diving in to see if it fits ya. Hope this helps

I think eldar on foot work to about 1000 points but it gets more difficult as the points grow. You are limited in what you can field that can take out tanks and you have the problem of T3 and AC 4 or 5 for the majority of your army.

If you play on foot and face an IG leaf blower you might as well shake his hand, tell him he won and it was a good game.

That said, Eldar on foot can be fun and a true learning experience. This is because the eldar are such specialists it is a great way to learn what everything is good for. I would go with 1000 pt battles and test out everything.

It has been nearly a decade since I played eldar last, but I can tell you for sure that 6th ed made things very tough on foot hordes.

I won't tell you that it's impossible to do footdar anymore (as then I'd probably need to concede that foot guard aren't doable), but it's going to be very tough. This is especially true given that the eldar codex was written during 4th ed, so is now two rules editions out of date.

If you want to play eldar, though, play eldar. If you want to play footdar, do a lot of reading and prepare for some pretty tough games in the beginning. Remember, anything worth doing is worth working for.

 Ailaros wrote:
I won't tell you that it's impossible to do footdar anymore (as then I'd probably need to concede that foot guard aren't doable), but it's going to be very tough. This is especially true given that the eldar codex was written during 4th ed, so is now two rules editions out of date.

This. The Eldar have an old Codex filled with (mostly) very frail units that need to work together perfectly to get anything done. A good player can still make them work, but a new one meeting Necrons? You'll lose to almost any silly list the Necron player puts together.

For a general recommendation for Food Dar...

1. Take and Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun. It is going to give you anti-air and a nice foot print with 4+ cover saves.

2. I am not sure but for foot dar, I might think about weapons platforms. Say 2 with Vibrocannons and 1 with D-cannons. The vibrocannons autoglance if they hit and the D-cannons keep an enemy wanting to stay away from you.

3. Perhaps an Avatar to provide the fearless bubble around your guardians.

4. Guardians kind of suck but with the right platforms and an avatar they provide the necessary ranged support you need.

5. Eldrad - he is pricey but worth it no matter what.

6. Dire Avengers - they are the best choice of all the eldar aspect warriors as they provide firepower and a survivability in HTH.

7. Pathfinders - specialists but a big unit backed up by a doom are invaluable. And they are a troop choice!!

8. Warwalkers - kind of vehicles but worth their weight in gold for the number of S6 shots they can put out.

DAaddict wrote:
For a general recommendation for Food Dar...

1. Take and Aegis Defense Line with Quad Gun. It is going to give you anti-air and a nice foot print with 4+ cover saves.

2. I am not sure but for foot dar, I might think about weapons platforms. Say 2 with Vibrocannons and 1 with D-cannons. The vibrocannons autoglance if they hit and the D-cannons keep an enemy wanting to stay away from you.

3. Perhaps an Avatar to provide the fearless bubble around your guardians.

4. Guardians kind of suck but with the right platforms and an avatar they provide the necessary ranged support you need.

5. Eldrad - he is pricey but worth it no matter what.

6. Dire Avengers - they are the best choice of all the eldar aspect warriors as they provide firepower and a survivability in HTH.

7. Pathfinders - specialists but a big unit backed up by a doom are invaluable. And they are a troop choice!!

8. Warwalkers - kind of vehicles but worth their weight in gold for the number of S6 shots they can put out.

One thing I want to say about the virbo cannons that a lot of people seem to be forgetting. If you have more than one vibrocannon in a squad, they still only fire one line, so will only glance once. The only effect more than one really gives, is increasing the strength of the line and increase the odds of the line hitting.

Well, as a long-term Eldar player, I shelved my Eldar (and DE) army after reading the rules of the 6th ed.
The main issues are 1) troops in a tank can no longer hold an objective, 2) tanks can no longer contest, 3) footdar is very hard to pull off.
In the upcoming RTTs, playing Eldar will become an uphill battle (it already was in the 5th but now its even harder to keep up with the top tier armies).

I waas torn between doing GK and Eldar, but after going through the GK codex, it has less appeal to me.

I'm willing to try a hard list, hence why I picked Eldar (Daemons tend to creep me out).

How are Wraithlords? They're awesome models, but I heard that they can "go blind?"

I collect Eldar and if you want Guardians to be the core of your army which is good for footdar I suggest a Battle force as they have 2 foot choices a walker and a serpent but if you really want purely foot, go for guardians, avengers, think carefully about ascpects (I'd say dragons, banshees/harlequins, + maybe some HQ of Fuegan, seers or Khaine. Hopefully we will get a much needed update so dont go buying just yet!!

Dr. What wrote:
I waas torn between doing GK and Eldar, but after going through the GK codex, it has less appeal to me.

I'm willing to try a hard list, hence why I picked Eldar (Daemons tend to creep me out).

How are Wraithlords? They're awesome models, but I heard that they can "go blind?"

Wraithsight is every turn you roll a d6 and on a 1 they go full slow. Keep a Spiritseer within 6" so that doesn't happen. There's also a FW model that's a Psychic Wraithlord.

I have both types of Eldar players at my flgs. The footdar guy usually has Eldrad w/ DAs, a huge squad of Wraithguard with a Spiritseer, 2 Fire Prisms (RAEG!), Pathfinders, Warp Spiders, and War Walkers. He does pretty exceptional, even more so now that he has one of the FW Warp Hunters.

The other guy uses a 5th ed Mechdar list and that is pretty awesome too. So much mech you don't even know what to do.

I have run my Mechdar list with pretty good results in 6th Ed.

I run
Eldrad
5 man fire dragons in WS
5 man fire dragons in WS
4x 8 man DA w/ exarc in WS
2 x fire prism

It gives you a bunch of speed and flexibility to choose the fight.
Tau scare the crap out of me but I can handle most Necrons lists (barring more than 2 fliers)

Just a question, why no vehicles at all?

I can understand the hesitation for a full mech army, but a Falcon and a squadron of Vypers can change things up and make the army far more flexible, without totally trashing the footdar core. It also gives your opponent something to focus fire on while your elite foot units close in.

Not sure about how others feel about them, but Pathfinders are my nemesis. Their special rules with the sniper rifles nice, and they are considered basic troops, and snipers are very effective IMO in 6th edition.

Well, I may take 2 Fire Prisms in my Heavy Support slots.

But I want to minimize usage as I want the greater challenge of FootDar, don't want to assemble and paint (then have to store and transport) a load of tanks, let alone pay for them.

I'm thinking something like:

Eldrad
Farseer or Avatar (Farseer take a spell from Telepathy)
2 Squads of Dire Avengers (May bump to three or add a Guardian squad, I'm getting my codex tomorrow, so I'm not sure yet)
2 Squads of Striking Scorpions
1 Squad of Harlies (Major push for me getting Eldar)
1-2 Squads of Swooping Hawks (anti-tank, as my Elites are full, so no Fire Dragons, also for Hammer of Wrath awesomeness)
Then, depending on leftover points, a Fire Prism or 2.

Looks Interesting just a few thoughts.

Eldar excell at firepower. Thus dire avengers are good even at CC. Between Defend, a SS/PW exarch with defend you have great firepower and survivability in HTH expecially if you add a Fortune.

The reason I mention this is you are light on troops. I would go with 3 if not 4 of these.

Striking Scorpions are interesting, they will absolutely slaughter GEQ but they kind of suck against TEQ but then again - I guess- what does.

Harlies are interesting, add the fusion guns and you have a squad that can open the cans to get at the goodies inside.
I would heavily consider switching to 2 harlies and 1 scorpion.

Swooping Hawks for anti-tank is interesting but they will die most times for killing a transport. Not bad but realise this.

I might consider a squad of Warp Spiders - mass S6 shots and their movement gives them the ability to kill all but the heaviest vehicles and they have the ability to run away with their packs... I think it is worth the +1 Pt cost versus swooping hawks.

Consider the support platforms or Dark Reapers instead of fire prisms. If you are going to go without vehicles, then don't take them. Every anti-tank that the enemy has is going to target your 2 fire prisms and AV 12 is not save nowadays.

I just decided to play a game of the Dawn of War: Dark Crusade mod (Firestorm Over Kronus) that makes the game closer to codex.

I don't really like Striking Scorpions.

Are Dark Reapers good? I feel they'd be better with the implementation of snap shots...

I'm surprised that this hasn't really been brought up yet, but if you want to go footdar, taking lots of wraith guard and wraith lords could be viable. Both are high toughness, and with Eldrad or a far seer (preferably both) backing them up with Fortune, you can do some serious damage, while taking little in return. The downside to this strategy is cost, both points-wise and monetary. Wraithguard are pretty pricy, and if you want to use them as troops then you'll need 10. The other disadvantage you'll find is the wraith guard only having 12" range on their guns, though if you're comparing it to guardians, that's actually not a loss.

For elites, I really REALLY like Harlequins. A big unit of them on the charge will take down almost any squad with little trouble, and because they have such a high initiative they'll be inflicting lots of casualties before the enemy can even react, drastically lowering the amount clowns you'll be losing in return. When I can get my positioning down, I regularly am able to take down at least a squad and a half with them, though killing two full units (or more) of marines is hardly a stretch. The problem with these guys is the same as the Wraithguard though. A fully loaded squad is gonna run you in the neighbourhood of 300 points.

What exactly are Doom and Fortune? (Please don't break Dakka's rules in explaining it if you do)

I wish there was some way to get the heads and guns separately for wraithguard as I do love the models, and conversions are almost always good to see.

Psyker powers available to Eldar Farseers.

Doom gives bad luck to your enemies, fortune good luck to your allies.

Dr. What wrote:
I just decided to play a game of the Dawn of War: Dark Crusade mod (Firestorm Over Kronus) that makes the game closer to codex.

I don't really like Striking Scorpions.

Are Dark Reapers good? I feel they'd be better with the implementation of snap shots...

I like them. I run them in squads of 3. 3 because they are so blamed costly and for some reason 3-man squads don't automatically get fired on while 5-man squads do.

I like to run them in 3s. 2 with EML with quickshot and 1 with Tempest with Crack Shot. EML on BS 5 exarchs gives you passable anti-tank. While the Tempest Launcher rerolling wounds seems to work wonders on troop killing. Amazingly, each is 147 points so if you want to suddenly switch to tempest launchers or to EMLs it doesn't require reworking you whole list.

Constantly rethinking the FootDar idea, would Hybrid Eldar be possible/more effective?


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Perhaps Putting 2 squads of DA and any Fire Dragons in the Wave Serpents.

Wraithlords/Avatar to absorb and dish out damage (anvil)?

Swooping Hawks and/or Harlequins to be the hammer?

Well, a pure footdar list is hard to pull off.

If you want to play Eldar in the 6th ed, I'd opt for a more balanced list with units on foot and fast units. What you need is maximum synergy. This requires to battle the enemy simultaneously at each range: 12'', 24'', and 36''.

Dr. What wrote:
Constantly rethinking the FootDar idea, would Hybrid Eldar be possible/more effective?


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Perhaps Putting 2 squads of DA and any Fire Dragons in the Wave Serpents.

Wraithlords/Avatar to absorb and dish out damage (anvil)?

Swooping Hawks and/or Harlequins to be the hammer?

What I have been toying with is 2-3 falcons with 1-2 wave serpents.

The falcons are outfitted with EMLs and the Wave Serpents with EML or BL. With guides that is 7 to 11 twin-linked S8 shots. This should be good to eliminate any opposing vehicles. They all have a range of 48" so you can keep the opponent at range with your speed. The problem is we are talking around 450 to 750 points in vehicles with nothing in them... You also have used up all your heavy slots so no war walkers, weapon platforms or wraithlords so you are going to have a limited footdar.

DAaddict wrote:

Dr. What wrote:
Constantly rethinking the FootDar idea, would Hybrid Eldar be possible/more effective?


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Perhaps Putting 2 squads of DA and any Fire Dragons in the Wave Serpents.

Wraithlords/Avatar to absorb and dish out damage (anvil)?

Swooping Hawks and/or Harlequins to be the hammer?

What I have been toying with is 2-3 falcons with 1-2 wave serpents.

The falcons are outfitted with EMLs and the Wave Serpents with EML or BL. With guides that is 7 to 11 twin-linked S8 shots. This should be good to eliminate any opposing vehicles. They all have a range of 48" so you can keep the opponent at range with your speed. The problem is we are talking around 450 to 750 points in vehicles with nothing in them... You also have used up all your heavy slots so no war walkers, weapon platforms or wraithlords so you are going to have a limited footdar.

Eldar tanks are overpriced.

Frankly, I'd take 2 squads of 10 DA w/bladestorm and 2 units of 5 FD all mounted in Serpents (tl scatterlaser, underslung shuricannon) as a core.
Falcons are not really needed, holofields are meh now.

Here's my updated theoretical FootDar list: (The LGS said they had the Eldar dex for $20, but it was the Dark Eldar dex, in its first edition)

Eldrad
Farsseer
2 DA squads (10 each)
2 Pathfinder Squads (probably 5 each)
1-2 Harlequin Squads (No clue on these)
1-2 Fire Dreagon Squads
1-2 Wraithlords



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No idea how many points that is, but I plan to build up to 1k, then get at some point to my group's standard of 1.5k.

Here is my pick:

Eldrad
2x 10 Dire Avengers, Serpents
2x 5 Pathfinders
8-10 Harlequins (kisses, Master, DJ, Shadowseer)
2x 5 Fire Dragons, Serpents
1 Wraithlord
3 Warwalkers (scatterlasers)

 wuestenfux wrote:
Here is my pick:

Eldrad
2x 10 Dire Avengers, Serpents
2x 5 Pathfinders
8-10 Harlequins (kisses, Master, DJ, Shadowseer)
2x 5 Fire Dragons, Serpents
1 Wraithlord
3 Warwalkers (scatterlasers)

Interesting, I like all but the Warwalker, though I could probably be persuaded. Same with the Wave Serpents.

How many points is that (rough estimate)?

This should be sufficient to make you want to play Eldar: