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Do the effects of damage on passengers stay after they disembark from the vehicle. Getting people tell me they do not because they are no longer passengers but i say yes because the unit is effected when they were passengers and they rule states till the end of the next shooting phase.

I would like to know this one too.

You are right, it does effect them even if they disembark from the transport. The rule states they either fire snap shots or cannot fire in their next shooting phase. It doesn't say the next shooting phase they are embarked, or until they disembark. Whether or not they are embarked when they try to shoot they fire Snap Shots/cannot fire in their next Shooting phase.

Even if they are no longer "passengers"?

NoneSuch wrote:
Even if they are no longer "passengers"?

They were passengers when the effect happened.
The effect is then applied (snap shots only next turn).
Changing them from passengers to non-passengers doesn't change that the effect was applied in the past.

If it had said "as long as they are passengers they can only snap shot next turn" then it would not effect the unit once they disembark.

I'm going to assume you just mean Shaken and Stunned results (although being able to immobilize and destroy infantry weapons would be nice too).

 Praxiss wrote:
I'm going to assume you just mean Shaken and Stunned results (although being able to immobilize and destroy infantry weapons would be nice too).

Of course, since Immobilized and Weapon Destroyed has no effect on passengers.

Wait for FAQ on this one...

I'm of the opinion that you could 'get out' to not be under the effects of shaken and stunned, just like last edition, and I have my semantics based argument.

But so do all of the people that disagree with me, this one, along with the even more lame "can't charge if your vehicle was wrecked the turn before" is just sloppy rules that need a little cleaning..

Stay tuned. And ask your TOs before attending any tourneys.

 Shep wrote:
Wait for FAQ on this one...

I'm of the opinion that you could 'get out' to not be under the effects of shaken and stunned, just like last edition, and I have my semantics based argument.

But so do all of the people that disagree with me, this one, along with the even more lame "can't charge if your vehicle was wrecked the turn before" is just sloppy rules that need a little cleaning..

Stay tuned. And ask your TOs before attending any tourneys.

I want to hear this semantics based argument.

only arguments I seen saying that passengers remove the effect when they disembark are all based on "Technically". And I have learned that the word Technically when referring to warhammer rules means "I am trying to bend the rule in my favor". So at this point I am going to say yes the effects stay when a unit disembarks until a FAQ says otherwise due to the fact there is no evidence saying it does not other then people say "Technically".

"No longer passengers" is not a good way to build a logic around. Simple bladestorm example:
I use bladestorm (turn 2). It states I "may not fire in subsequent turn". When turn 3 comes along I can bladestorm again. Turn 3 is not my subsequent turn, it's my current turn. Apparently I cannot bladestorm turn 4, but when it finally comes it, again, looses "subsequent turn" status.

Same with any rule that has "next", "subsequent", "following".

So no. Shaken / stunned does not disappear after disembarking.

I believe they are not affected by it when they get out of the vehicle. I base this mostly on a table in Game Summary section of the rulebook that deals how damage to vehicle affect passangers (p. 426)

The column in question is called Effect on passangers firing from vehicle. It specifically states that it affects their firing from vehicle, so they should be fine on foot.

Disembarking the unit does change the fact they "fire Snapshots/cannot fire in their next shooting phase"

Whether they are a passenger or not, they still have ongoing effects on them.

Budwaagh wrote:
I believe they are not affected by it when they get out of the vehicle. I base this mostly on a table in Game Summary section of the rulebook that deals how damage to vehicle affect passangers (p. 426)

The column in question is called Effect on passangers firing from vehicle. It specifically states that it affects their firing from vehicle, so they should be fine on foot.

More specific trumps less specific. More specific rule says their next shooting phase, not as long as they remain embarked.

All comes down to what GW means by passenger. In the past the unit stopped being passengers as soon as they disembarked.

Even if they stopped being passengers as soon as they exit the vehicle, which I am pretty sure is the case, they can still only make Snap Shots in their next shooting phase. That effect is not in any way dependant on them being passengers.

"Passengers can only..."

You're incorrect, sir.

Check out the wording for Wrecked, and Explodes. Both refer to the unit as "passengers" before they disembark, and "the unit" after.

Exactly, they are no longer passengers after they exit the transport so they can shoot as normal.

The question comes down to if the restriction is on the unit that currently happens to be passengers.
Or if the restriction is on the unit only while they are passengers.



Lets try this one.

In the movement phase,the 'passengers' get out.
A different unit gets in and becomes 'passengers'.

For those that believe that getting out stops the effect, does getting in trigger the effect??

 Mannahnin wrote:
"Passengers can only..."

You're incorrect, sir.

Check out the wording for Wrecked, and Explodes. Both refer to the unit as "passengers" before they disembark, and "the unit" after.

Like I said, I am pretty sure that is the case...

I see it the same ways an IC joining/leaving a unit. If the damage result of a vehicle affects the passengers, the effect stays on that unit, even if they disembark and another unit climbs in.

The rules don't support it though.

Again this is an issue of plain language in the game.

The passengers were affected. Who were the passengers? The unit was. Therefore the Unit cannot fire... whatever...

They are no longer passengers after they disembark.

If we look at pg 79 disembarkation restrictions. "after disembarking, models can shoot, counting as moved"

pg 80 crew stunned. "passengers cannot shoot"

So based on these two sentences, it would seem that after you get out of the shaken/stunned vehicle, you can shoot as normal. As only passengers will not be able to shoot, but disembarked models can shoot.

Page 80, middle right:

"...charge the now disembarked passengers."

So, what does that mean?

 Faulkner wrote:
Page 80, middle right:

"...charge the now disembarked passengers."

So, what does that mean?

Absolutely nothing, as you do not destroy vehicles, only wreck them or explode them, then you can never assault anything that pops out of it.

Or its just GW's poorly worded rules saying if you blow up a transport you can assault what came out of the transport you shot. They were just trying to clarify that you can only assault what came out of the transport that unit shot at.
And for the passengers, as they now disembarked, they are no longer passengers and can shoot in their shooting phase.

sirlynchmob wrote:
And for the passengers, as they now disembarked, they are no longer passengers and can shoot in their shooting phase.

They are now the disembarked passengers, and hence cannot shoot.

Fragile wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
And for the passengers, as they now disembarked, they are no longer passengers and can shoot in their shooting phase.

They are now the disembarked passengers, and hence cannot shoot.

And that sentence only applies if the vehicle was destroyed. And as it can't be destroyed it really doesn't mean or imply anything.

sirlynchmob wrote:

Fragile wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:
And for the passengers, as they now disembarked, they are no longer passengers and can shoot in their shooting phase.

They are now the disembarked passengers, and hence cannot shoot.

And that sentence only applies if the vehicle was destroyed. And as it can't be destroyed it really doesn't mean or imply anything.

Wrecked and exploded = destroyed pg 74.