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2012/08/26 11:55:37
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
Sheffield
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In light of the recent logan v abaddon thrrad, I was curious at just which Chapter master is the most skilled.
So the scenario is thus,
The Chapter masters attend an arena to duel,
Each master will fight each other once.
3pts for a win, 1pt for a tie
Which chapter master would emerge the victor with the most points.
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This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/08/27 04:47:05
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponents fate."
Sun Tzu
http://s1.zetaboards.com/New_Badab/index/
JOIN THE ETERNAL WAR. SAY YOU FOLLOWED MY LINK IN YOUR INTRODUCTION TO HELP TZEENTCHS CAUSE. |
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2012/08/26 12:08:01
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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As much as I like Black Templars, Dante would probably win. 1100+ years of experience, with Logan being closest (IIRC) at 700+ years is just such a huge advantage.
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2012/08/26 12:28:22
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Terrifying Doombull
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High Marshall Helbrecht because relgious zeal always helps
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2012/08/26 13:17:04
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Furious Fire Dragon
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I belive Logan he is the fierst of all
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"Listen closely Brothers, for my life's breath is all but spent. There shall come a time far from now when our Chapter itself is dying, even as I am now dying, and our foes shall gather to destroy us. Then my children, I shall listen for your call in whatever realm of death holds me, and come I shall, no matter what the laws of life and death forbid. At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime."Leman Russ |
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2012/08/26 13:33:00
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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Easy - Logan, then Dante
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/26 13:35:53
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror
Sheffield
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Damn. I forgot to add seth of the flesh tearers.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And kantor.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/26 13:37:03
"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponents fate."
Sun Tzu
http://s1.zetaboards.com/New_Badab/index/
JOIN THE ETERNAL WAR. SAY YOU FOLLOWED MY LINK IN YOUR INTRODUCTION TO HELP TZEENTCHS CAUSE. |
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2012/08/26 13:40:19
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Furious Raptor
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If we are looking rules wise (I'm actually going to hate myself for saying this) it'd probably be Calgar, the guy basically re-rolls everything... though if it were fluff wise I'd say Dante... the guys a walking relic... nearest to that is Logan... it's close run all the way though...
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2012/08/26 13:54:09
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Executing Exarch
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Fluffwise I'd say Dante then Logan.
Ruleswise probably Calgar, as stated above.
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2012/08/26 17:11:53
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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Grimnar would use Dantes Death mask as a nice new drinking stein after he spilled his innards.
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"In short there is no Order only Chaos eternal so lament and be quelled with fear if you serve the False Emperor or accept the gifts bestowed by the pantheon of the four gods and rejoice as the galaxy burns." - Unknown Wordbearer |
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2012/08/26 17:39:23
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Hellacious Havoc
Commorragh
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Logan,Calgar then Dante...
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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2012/08/26 18:02:48
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Jovial Plaguebearer of Nurgle
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 Eetion wrote:Damn. I forgot to add seth of the flesh tearers.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
And kantor.
While Seth and Kantor are awesome I think they would get destroyed pretty quick by the likes of Grimnar and Dante.
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Heralds of Rot CSM 4000 pts
"In short there is no Order only Chaos eternal so lament and be quelled with fear if you serve the False Emperor or accept the gifts bestowed by the pantheon of the four gods and rejoice as the galaxy burns." - Unknown Wordbearer |
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2012/08/26 18:03:59
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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If it was no holds, as in they had no problem with killing their opponent outright, Calgar, beyond his equipment, most of hit body is metal (Swarmlord made him a quadrapeligic, so his arms and legs are more difficult to disable) and he has some pretty nice kills, including an Avatar of Khaine. Second is likely Dante, 1K years experience certainly gives one an edge.
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2012/08/26 18:25:31
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Spawn of Chaos
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Going purely off the fluff, it's going to be between Dante and Logan. I would lean towards Logan, myself. He's a beast in close combat, and whilst h may not have the experience of Dante (although it's not as if he's some rookie, himself!), sheer ferocity would help make up for that. His depiction in ADB's The Emperor's Gift shows just what an animal he is in combat. Plus, y'know, he had a pretty sweet beard 
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2012/08/26 18:39:31
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Logan. Space Wolves are Vikings in space and he's their leader. No other argument needed.
Plus Vampires are dumb.
Seriously though rules wise it would go:
Calgar, Logan, Dante,
Helbrect and Azrael rules wise don't stand a chance.
Fluff Wise:
Logan, Dante, Tu'Shan and Calgar tied.
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2012/08/26 18:53:42
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 OverwatchCNC wrote:Logan. Space Wolves are Vikings in space and he's their leader. No other argument needed.
Plus Vampires are dumb.
Seriously though rules wise it would go:
Calgar, Logan, Dante,
Helbrect and Azrael rules wise don't stand a chance.
Fluff Wise:
Logan, Dante, Tu'Shan and Calgar tied.
Dude,I always enjoy how you put things simple way :-)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/08/26 18:59:20
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Logan Grimnar.
Sorry but did you scare the hell out of an Inqusitior lord behead him and a GrandMaster of the Grey Knights?
Also do you have a chaos blade? NOPE
Calgar is the greatest tactician of the bunch.
But he would get owned by Grimnar.
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2012/08/26 21:53:53
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Executing Exarch
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OverwatchCNC wrote:Logan. Space Wolves are Vikings in space and he's their leader. No other argument needed.
Plus Vampires are dumb.
So are werewolves.
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2012/08/26 22:03:33
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Asterion Moloc of the Minotaurs.
Also, it's spelled "duel".
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2012/08/26 22:49:10
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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What is even the math hammer between Logan and Calgar, because with the new PE are they not very very close in strength both re-rolling thier powerfist to wounds,
Calgar has one more wound then logan.
Logan hits on a 3+ reolling ones.
calgar hits on 4+ reolling one miss
each have 5 attacks except logan who gets 1+ attack once per a game. So I say its very close
(too lazy to math hammer  )
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2012/08/26 23:17:44
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Terrifying Treeman
The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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Vladimir, if you are badass enough to use two thunder hammers at once, you can do anything.
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2012/08/26 23:52:14
Subject: Re:A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Paladin of the Wall
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Alpharius
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From 3++
"Because your captain is smarter than Belial and all templar commanders ever, he doesn't discard his iron halo when you dress him up as a terminator. Remember this." |
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2012/08/27 04:13:11
Subject: A Dual between Chapter masters.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Castiel wrote: OverwatchCNC wrote:Logan. Space Wolves are Vikings in space and he's their leader. No other argument needed.
Plus Vampires are dumb.
So are werewolves.
How dare you.
BTNeophyte wrote:Alpharius
Not a chapter master, your argument is invalid. Also why even bother posting something so brazenly off topic?
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2012/08/27 04:56:39
Subject: Re:A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Calgar.
Fast enough to fight an Avatar of Khaine in combat, strong enough to catch its sword with one hand, and proceeded to punch it in half.
Yeah, I'm going with the guy who punches demigods in half. To my recollection, none of the chapter masters listed, nor any other chapter master, has done similar.
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2012/08/27 04:59:32
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Drone without a Controller
Ottawa Ontario
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Clearly, alpharius would infiltrate the ranks. In fact ,the only plausible way for this to occur would be if at least half the members were alpha legionnaires.
... all according to plan
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2012/08/27 05:03:31
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Justicar_Thunderflanks wrote:Clearly, alpharius would infiltrate the ranks. In fact ,the only plausible way for this to occur would be if at least half the members were alpha legionnaires.
... all according to plan
Sigh, again not a valid argument since Alpharius is a primarch not a chapter master. Plus he isn't even part of the poll.
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2012/08/27 05:14:35
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Plus Alpharius is kind of a punk in combat and Calgar would punch him in half as well and still win. 
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2012/08/27 05:34:46
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Vladimir Pugh? When did he exist? Automatically Appended Next Post:
Not sure he would actually get anywhere near the rules-wise top 3 though. Though he is cool and choppy.
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Seeing a squad of veterens swoop in in a Vendetta, secure the area, deliver that math assignment, and extract within 2 minutes would be freaking sweet.
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2012/08/27 05:59:42
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Drone without a Controller
Ottawa Ontario
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In all seriousness, I voted for Vlad, on the basis that the feast of blades would give him the edge in Codex astartes marine v marine combat, and thunder hammers would be very helpful in a no holds barred fight. If it was contact dueling, I would vote for Helbrecht. BT are famed for their skill with a blade, and rightly so.
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2012/08/27 09:13:44
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Tu'Shan would melt everyone to slag with his Inferno Pistol
Dante as well.
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2012/08/27 09:56:01
Subject: A Duel between Chapter masters.
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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 Bobthehero wrote:Tu'Shan would melt everyone to slag with his Inferno Pistol
Dante as well.
Tu'Shan has an Inferno Pistol? Neat.
I figure an under-slung flamer like Vulkan has would be right up his alley too.
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