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so the throne of vines spell (life lore) states that while it remains in play the caster can ignore miscasts on a 2+.

so if i cast a spell and double 6, normally its a miscast. the spell goes off, can not be dispelled by any means and i roll on the miscast table.
however i have throne active, and manage to roll the 2+.

does the spell im trying to cast (and miscast) still count as irrestable, and i just dont roll on the miscast chart, or does it ignore the entire result, and now a dispel is allowed on the total value of the cast attempt?

basically what im wondering is what "on a 2+ the miscast is ignored" means exactly. since its kind of critical if it allows dispels, or if the spell fails, or what. how would a dispel scroll factor in?

ie:
me: i cast throne of vines, sucsessful no dispel attempt.
me: ok, now i cast flesh to stone, (throw 3 dice, get 6,6,3) - ok miscast and irrestable. (roll dice for throne: 4) well the miscast is ignored, and the spell goes off
other guy: if the miscast is ignored then its not irrestable, and i can disepel. im using my dispel scroll. / rolling all my dispel dice
me: but i cast irrestable...

may not happen exactly like that all the time, but it did happen last game and i would like an answer. ( i had 8 power dice vrs 3 dispel dice thanks to double 3 on wind, and two lucky channels) and i was allowed to get throne off, then tried to cast flesh to stone. ended up miscasting, rolled my 2+ then had a 20 minute argument about the above...so i would like to know how that works thanks!

Yes it is still irresistible.

I think the part that is important with questions like that is the miscast is always resolved AFTER the spell, so at the point he is rolling the dispel (or wanting to) the miscast stands, then once that is resolved you roll the vines thing. I think. I know the answer is yest it is still irresistible but I am only like 60% sure that's the reason. That or that miscasts and irresistible are 2 separate things that just happen together on double 6s.

 jonolikespie wrote:
That or that miscasts and irresistible are 2 separate things that just happen together on double 6s.

That's the reason!

Also: The timing of when miscasts actually occur is why you get to take a 2+ save vs. miscast if you double 6 the casting on throne itself.

cool. so my second question now:

the wizards im using are mounted on the small square bases. generally i run them solo, hiding behind my core. would it be appropiate to model a second base, "mount" on the larger square base (chaos warrior size) to place him on when vines is actifve? this would give him a larger base, and a slight height advantage, but be modeled to look like an actual "vine throne, etc. - would this be considered modelling for advantage or be otherwise wrong? - if it does create a problem its removable so i could always remove the second base for things like LOS or 1" rule etc.

I can't see why you'd do that. It's just a spell. You don't surround your armies with barbed wire when you give them the damage shield. Or drop a cinder block on them for the +toughness spell.

That said, if it's small enough, people probably won't care. The bigger you make it, the more they might.

i would do it, mainly because it would look cool...and im HORRIBLE for remembering ongoing effects in games. therefore i have taken to using markers and tokens and things to serve as visible reminders not only for myself, but to honestly show my opponent what effect is where, and so on. i do the same thing with 40k, putting markers down for everything from running, to movment speeds and so on. i find it creates alot less confusion later in the game if we get into a big combat or have a rule question. stops "forgetting" what had what going on. obviously i wouldnt be making him 5" taller, it would add maybe 1/4th an inch at best to the model height, and increase his base size from the small 20mm base up to the 25mm base.


edit: after actually looking at doing this, the bases siezes are almost identical in size, with not alot of room to do extra modelling on the base itself.... so scratch that idea. : (

I *do* think that modeling your own custom markers to help you remember what spells are in play is a cool idea. I wouldn't do anything that would change the base size of a model, though.

A player here does something similar for cauldron effects, and has a flaming cage modeled to place next to a unit that has been hit by flame cage.

If you have the magic cards, place them beside the unit that the effect is on.

Other options are to creates cards with the magic effects place besides.

Sounds like you would like to model. Instead of switching out the model with one that has it effect based. Create Based counters to place them besides. Heres a link to some tomb kings ones someone did.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/Khemri/index.php?showtopic=8860&st=0&#entry3502580

Artee wrote:
If you have the magic cards. . . .

That's a good idea, actually.

I have the Nehekharan Battle Magic cards, but there are very often not enough of them - especially for bubble effects.

editing to add:
I have been putting together some custom markers somewhat akin to the pictured, but that's a great intermediary.

I don't have the cards. Although im considering picking them up. I'm definitly a modeler. I really enjoy making conversions and making my armies look unique. Special markers might work, or even something like a custom movement tray. That way the model itself won't change, and the tray can be ignored for all game purposes.

Another question: (sorry for the ongoing)

If I have throne of vines active, does that protect against items that force miscasts? Such as the ogre hell heart? Or does it only work when I miscast while casting?

You don't even need the actual GW cards. you can make up your own and print them out.

I meant actual Magic cards to supplement the Battle Magic cards.

Battle Magic cards are harder to get in the numbers needed to be used per unit.

I am working on nice counters, but until then it may be useful - for those of us with a collection - to use Magic cards as markers until they are done.

Other things work well enough, to be sure, but my thought was to take a card I like and grab a half dozen or so. Put one under the Battle Magic card to relate them, and use the rest as markers for its effect on units.

as I said, I am building actual counters similar to the images but this idea works, is helpful, and takes no prep work for people with a collection of both.
Of which I am one.

It allows yout o ignore miscasts on a 2+, no matter why you miscast