Tau soon.....probably

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**Prodigalson**

The EMP won't be 3 pts. Wytches get haywire for 2 and they are better. 1 pt or I would suggest free. I would like to see heavy drones with different gun options added to the squad. Also the rumor is that carbines may be able to fire the underslung grenade.

**Pyro-Druid**

docbrown wrote:I expect 5 Pt controllers and cheaper drones but drones are purchased in bulk and given to units with controllers

I had overlooked that option, I must say I very much like it. Though I'll admit I just like the mechanic and would love to have a larger basis for Eldar to get a similar sort of selection.

Back to drones, I'm of the opinion overall a points drop should be made either way, particularly on the Marker light drones.

**Brother SRM**

I don't think you'll need to buy drone controllers anymore, since they're kind of a redundant piece of wargear. You'll probably just be able to buy drones the same way you'd buy squad members or wargear. IE: "A fire warrior squad may take up to two gun drones for 10 points a model" or something like that. It's something that could use streamlining.

**Jefffar**

A note on the Drone Controller - the Hazard Suits pay 10 points for a Drone Controller - though it essentially givs them 1 automatic success at Hit and Run in the process.

About the Firewarrior Carbines - they always had an under-slung grenade launcher, but it only launched Photon Grenades, which made the Carbine A Pinning weapon. I think it would make the most sense (and this is why it wouldn't happen) to make the Carbine Assault 2 and give the grenade launcher an alternate fire mode included int he weapon. Then the unit has to pay for it's grenades (Photon, EMP, maybe an Airburst) which will have their effect, but a model can't fire the Carbine and the Grenade Launcher at the same time (without a Multi-tracker anyway).

**BeefCakeSoup**

I'm banking on some safe guesswork, but given past dexes having heroes unlock Elites as troops etc etc I'm calling these as 85%

Farsight counts suits as troops
Suits are 1-5
New suit types
Ethereals revamped or removed like Pariahs
BS4 on more units stock
Vehicle Squadron Heavy Support
Sniper Drone Teams move to Elite
New Tank
New Skimmer/Flyer

**Nagashek**

dbsamurai wrote:
Nagashek wrote:Stealth suits are already a threat based on volume of fire alone. Trust me.

But I would kill for a plastic orca. Srsly.

god i want an orca so bad. and if it could carry three squads legally!!! safe carry for suits!

also with their burst cannons stealth suits are only dangerous against horde. I want them to be more...elite i guess. like they're geared towards a task at hand. inwhich case (say their 20 pts, plus 15 for a single plasma rifle which is how much it costs for IG) you have a squad designed to search and destroy. it'd allow crisis suits to specialize more, to take heavier weapons (i posted codex suggestions on another forum, this thing called a plasma caster that's a plasma gatling gun...takes up two slots but it would also help gear up crisis suits). or it would allow them to specialize as tank hunters, taking TL fusion blasters and having the T and the W to take on tanks

1/2 hit, 2/3 wound, 1/3 failed AS vs MEq. *18 = 2 dead marines. The same as a Fireknife squad. The FK carries the versatility of taking light-med range tanks, the SS means list versatility in being able to manage hordes (and pop the rear armor of tanks). Sadly I fear PRs in SS squads will be over costed in order to prevent them from being the only options fielded.

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**agnosto**

The drone controller is free because it doesn't actually do anything. It's a book-keeping artifact to let you know that suitA has taken the option of attaching drones to the unit. Ruleswise, it currently does nothing.

It would have been easier to just make drones a unit upgrade option and not worry about the controller but since they came up with the hardpoint and hard-wired wargear thing...

**Brother SRM**

BeefCakeSoup wrote:I
Ethereals revamped or removed like Pariahs
Vehicle Squadron Heavy Support

I don't understand reasoning for vehicle squadrons for Tau, outside of Piranhas. They're not about weight of numbers like IG; their tanks are more like Space Marine tanks. I can't see them removing Ethereals, since they're integral to Tau fluff. It would be like removing Hive Tyrants from the Tyranids, or Commissars from the Imperial Guard. They'll be revamped, and I hope they have some kind of support abilities akin to (but not exactly like) the IG orders system.

**march10k**

Kepora wrote:
march10k wrote:As for the first statement, you leave out stealth marker teams. They're not hard to keep alive, and if you're only really using them to boost BS, they can give you enough lights.

This is true, but a SINGLE SMT (Stealth Marker Team) becomes ungodly expensive VERY quickly!

Depends on what you do with it...mine is 3 suits, one sergeant upgrade with markerlight, and two (HWDC on sergeant) marker drones. Gives me three HARD TO TARGET lights that shoot on the move for a little over 150 points, which, in my book, is dramatically superior to the (cheaper, admittedly) paper-armored static lights sitting in full view of the enemy that pathfinders provide. The pathfinders will give you more counters on turn one...but by turn three, expect them to be dead, while the SMT will probably still be in action on turn six. Not only that, but by tying all of the lights to the sergeant, you maximize their survival...you can actually sacrifice the generic stealth suits to keep the lights alive, which is superior to the usual practice of spreading the drones out amongst the suits with DCs on the optional hard points.

**Jefffar**

Yeah, the SMT is probably the codex's best combination of mobility and protection for the Markerlights, if only you didn't have to sacrifice an Elite Slot to do it.

When you start getting into Forgeworld units, you get some very interesting options - Heavy Gun Drones for 25 points a pop that can go from a Twin Linked Burst Cannon to a Burst Cannon and a Marker Light. Yeah it's only BS 2 but it jump shoots jumps and you can stack 6 of them for around the same price as the 3 lights ont he Stealth Marker Team without having to give up on Crisis Suits.

My personal favourite is the Tetra though. It's 50 points, AV 10, up-gradable to BS 4, has a disruption pod and can move 12 inches a turn and still use it's marker lights. Put them in squadrons of 4 and you really needn't concern yourself with Pathfinders or Stealth Marker teams to have Markerlights that are mobile and survivable.

**docbrown**

Hopefully 6th fixes squadron rules so i no longer worry about having vehicles in groups

also
i figure you PAY for the ability to take drones so that it creates more interesting choices in your army. What do i want to have the bility to draw from my drone bank?

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what if we had drones that are the equivalent of servo skulls
what tau player doesnt want to screw with infiltrators and scouts!

**acekevin8412**

docbrown wrote:Hopefully 6th fixes squadron rules so i no longer worry about having vehicles in groups

also
i figure you PAY for the ability to take drones so that it creates more interesting choices in your army. What do i want to have the bility to draw from my drone bank?

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what if we had drones that are the equivalent of servo skulls
what tau player doesnt want to screw with infiltrators and scouts!

I'm surprised no one else has brought this up. Deep Strikers too.

**Kroothawk**

SOme more by ghost21:

ghost21 wrote:
Off the top of my head that would be better than Fieldcraft, which only works in forest or jungle terain. I could be wrong, it has been awhile sense I have cared about Kroot!

Well that will be fixed... and the stealth suits too. The whole "they apply night fighting in daytime" thing is kinda stupid.

There was a picture of some concepts of demiurg, now I cant find it but they are close to one of the images there.

There is a named Demiurg guy in the fluff, but I'm not sure if he will get a figure... but there is a quite nice piece of fluff that alludes that he knows that the ethereal caste have some kind of power but it don't work on him, or any demiurg... he also kills some big Tyranid monster

Oh a demiurg special character, please please please

urm this^^

Please let it be the one that kills the norn queen.
(...)
He actually does it with mining equipment, but it's described allot like this, he's like "oh i got eaten, I'll just drill my way out".

Do you mean these?

No, not those Tim. It was more like a rock creature.
(...)
Think more mini stone giants like ozruk

that he knows that the ethereal caste have some kind of power but it don't work on him, or any demiurg

blast

well hopefully it's vague enough that i can ignore it but even in the best case thats going to be annoying.

edit could it be talking about something other than a power? like simply that the demuirg aren't quite as respectful as a normal tau or something? maybe not as much into flowery language and such.

i could see an etheral going on about the greater good and a demuirg saying whatever i am going to go kill something just as long as i get payed.

I can find the exact wording... but that's the impression I got from it

This is the WoW ozruk stone giant BTW:

**Jefffar**

The Drone I really want has a Failsafe Detonator.

**IPS**

I think they will look very much like those:

Eventhough that are fanmade drawings iirc.
Either way they sound like a nice addition.

**docbrown**

They seem very elemental. I like my tech tau

**dbsamurai**

Nagashek wrote:
1/2 hit, 2/3 wound, 1/3 failed AS vs MEq. *18 = 2 dead marines. The same as a Fireknife squad. The FK carries the versatility of taking light-med range tanks, the SS means list versatility in being able to manage hordes (and pop the rear armor of tanks). Sadly I fear PRs in SS squads will be over costed in order to prevent them from being the only options fielded.

but the reason that fireknife is better is because it succeeds against terminators. which, given the plethora of 2+ saves armies seem to be fielding now (sanguinary guard, deathwing, terminators, artificer armor, terminator captains, wolf guard, etc, not to mention the plusses against FNP units like Death Co and Death Guard, and really anything with "Death" in the name) in MEQ armies, if you put plasmas on stealth suits it would let crisis suits specialize more...more like eldar, where each unit excels at one job or another. The difference is that with tau, our units should (and usually do, at least on paper) have the options to specialize against everything, but can only choose one of those options (e.g. suits can slaughter GEQ, TEQ, or Tanks, wholesale if they're geared right (TL flamer, BC MT, or TL plas MP MT, or TL Fusion MP MT, or jack of all trades fireknife)

**King Crow**

punkow wrote:As a genuine Tau Hater I hope this will never happen.

wow bro, really? you just mad cause you don't have str 10 ap 1 railguns

**RatBot**

Kroothawk wrote:

If this ends up being the case, it'll make me want to build an Army with as many Demiurg models as I can possibly use just so every time I shoot at or take melee swings at my opponent or he shoots or swings at me, I can yell "BREAK YOURSELVES UPON MY BODY. FEEL THE STRENGTH OF THE EARTH!" over and over and over and over just like that stupid boss.

PS: not really.

**docbrown**

I bulk drones
Disruption drones
Gun drones(that don't suck)
Marker drones
Flechette drone
Fail safe drones
Servo drones(stop deployment shenanigans )
Command drones(boost Ld or give stubborn rule)

All bought as sets consisting of 4-12
Can buy multiple sets without worry for FOC
Can only attach to units with a 5 pt controller
Can be deployed as sentient but takes up fa slot

How's that sound. The idea of a drone heavy tau is Acctually really appealing. Spreading servo drones ends the need for kroot wrapping formations worried about deep strike or alpha strike.

**Anung Un Rama**

I'm still dissapointed that the Hrud look like Space Dwarfs again and not like the awesome artwork in Xenology.

**SonicPara**

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm still dissapointed that the Hrud look like Space Dwarfs again and not like the awesome artwork in Xenology.

The race being talked about is the Demiurg, not the Hrud.

**Ledabot**

We need somes sort of compndulem of all the rumers we have so far. I've got friends wondering what is going on and I can't help but think i've missed some of the rumers.

The hardest part is trying to destingush the wishlisting and the more solid rumers.

**ChiliPowderKeg**

Ledabot wrote:The hardest part is trying to destingush the wishlisting and the more solid rumers.

Well then let me help

To avoid "wish-listing"-type posts, just look for only the posts that have quotes from persons whom are not of Dakka's member list (e.g. posts about ghost, stickmonkey or stinger)

**Anung Un Rama**

SonicPara wrote:
Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm still dissapointed that the Hrud look like Space Dwarfs again and not like the awesome artwork in Xenology.

The race being talked about is the Demiurg, not the Hrud.

Whoops, my bad.

But weren't they the same?

**notprop**

Nah, hrud were sorta supposed to be space Skaven, Demiurd sorta space dwarfs.

**IPS**

some more info on new Tau (as in not alien) units from ghost:

ghost21 wrote:dropship
snipersuit
ubersuit
fighter

**Rented Tritium**

It seems possible that 6th edition is changing instant death somehow. With tyranid warriors getting the extra wounds in a codex that's supposedly 6th-ready, and now crisis suits rumored for the same.

I have no idea what that change would BE, but it seems to point to, at the very least, a sliiight weakening or retooling of ID.

**Dysartes**

dbsamurai wrote:...not to mention the plusses against FNP units like Death Co and Death Guard, and really anything with "Death" in the name) in MEQ armies

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the units with the "Death" prefix are amongst the most likely to survive a battle?

**chaos0xomega**

Wow, you can cut the bs coming from ghost with a knife. Almost everything he is saying is so generic ('snipersuit' 'dropship' 'ubersuit' etc.) that they can be almost anything. When he is getting 'specific' ("Demiurg guy kills a 'nid"), he's going out on a limb for something that seems it could come true, but if it doesn't he can later say "Sorry guys, it was an early draft, he got cut".

/does not believe