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It would proberly require some saving up for me, and I don't know if a transport for suits is really that good. they might be better just jumping around.

Brother SRM wrote:

docbrown wrote:I play any army to have no lynchpin. Hence why I hate pathfinders

Then you're probably not much of a Tau player. Tau require interunit dependency, it's their whole MO.

No, even in tau, pathfinders stick out like a sore thumb. They're very oddly shaped gears to keep the analogy going.

chaos0xomega wrote:

obsidianaura wrote:
Markerlights not heavy - they aren't heavy weapons they're laser pointers, there is no point this being heavy. Rolling to hit is enough.

Its meant to be a realistic depiction of a real world SOFLAM or laser-target designator. Its not something you pull the trigger and tag something with and then walk away, you have to illuminate the target until the ordnance has acquired, preferably impacted. Thus, the heavy.

dbsamurai wrote:I'd love to see sniper teams be a troop choice that is taken based on the number of FW in the army...it'd give a nice idea of fire support iin the troops section

That's actually a really good idea. People might actually take them because they take up Broadside/Hammerhead slots. You could balance it so that they count as heavy support choices but they don't take up a heavy support slot if you have a corresponding Fire Warrior squad and so on.

No split tau hqs into 3 types.
Generic
Montka
Kauyon

They have corresponding abilities that match these styles.

We could have a fw hq that allots 3 sniper teams to not take up slots
A crisis hq that makes crisis suits troops(for scoring not selecting)
A stealth hq that allows you to give units stealth drones (or disruption drones) but you cant take crisis suits.
An pathfinder hq that makes pathfinders troops(for scoring not selection)

How's that for synergy

I'd like to see human auxiliaries back in with kroot and vespids. Makes sense.

We have enough humans running around as it is. I would prefer having an alien race taking whatever roll human auxiliaries might take.

Besides, what role exactly would they fill in a Tau army?

Fluff-wise they make sense, but as far as gameplay is concerned I fee like they'd just muddle the army's identity, resulting in less-crisp gameplay.

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic if they got the Necron treatment. Strong theme. Unique play. Divergence from "textbook" lists (gunline-mech-slogger). Crisp role separation. Good stuff

Sekminara wrote:We have enough humans running around as it is. I would prefer having an alien race taking whatever roll human auxiliaries might take.

Besides, what role exactly would they fill in a Tau army?

Fluff-wise they make sense, but as far as gameplay is concerned I fee like they'd just muddle the army's identity, resulting in less-crisp gameplay.

Honestly, I'd be ecstatic if they got the Necron treatment. Strong theme. Unique play. Divergence from "textbook" lists (gunline-mech-slogger). Crisp role separation. Good stuff

Logically they would fill the same role as PDF in IG.. or if you mean on the table top, they might make a decent all rounder infantry, since Tau forces seem to be mostly all melee or all shooty.

...

..and I'll pass on any more Matt Ward codecies. They're an abomination from the warp. I'd really rather not hear about Tau bathing in the blood of battle sisters before skull raping the Emperor and how some Shas'O has butchered every space marine alive but the Ultramarines, who crushed him through the sheer power of awesome.

So shall we start the discussion on possible Ward-ish naming conventions in the next Tau book, then? Or will it actually be acceptable this time since Tau weapons don't really require the writer to be that creative in the first place?

Crisis Suits armed with Crisis Blasters, Crisis Cannons, and Crisis Missile Launchers, or perhaps some fish-themed weapon names to go along with Hammerheads and Devilfish. Too bad Tau aren't very close combat oriented; I dream of the day when I can smite my foes with a Fish Fist.

The funny thing is that probably will happen. "Crisis suits need...crisis weapons! Yes!" I also imagine a lot more "rail____" weapons, too. And if Tau get a CC boost then maybe "plasma fists".

Ditrect plasma injection into the armor of the enemy causing them to catch fire inside there armor. mwa ha ha

So is there actual information here or just wishlisting?

And yes, we can definitely expect to see some Trout class skimmers with Carp Cannons, Crisis Battlesuits with Crisis Plasma Rail Launchers.

Going from other recent codices, I'm expecting that we'll see:
Radically cheaper tanks.
Free photon grenades and possible Shas'ui or bonding kinives
Grenades for kroot.
Hammerheads in 3-squadrons
A Flyer with options to be used as a gunship or transport, in line with other armies.
A variety of different HQ choices which effect the army make-up.
Splitting battlesuits into separate roles, which would allow a new unit entry for a close-range (combat?) battlesuit.
Cheaper crisis suits all round

Pathfinders in plastic (most probably as a dual kit with a new unit)
Re-cut kroot in combo-kit with hounds. (possibly Krootox, though unlikely)
Re-cut crisis suits. I believe these will go to a 3-pack (with one plasma rifle per pack lols) and be a dual kit with broadsides (or a new crisis variant)
Re-cut broadsides. Most probably with crisis suits, however the treatment of necron Destroyers has made me a little more dubious.
As above, Flyer with build options as gunship or transport. I'm think a VTOL, osprey kind of vehicle.

I doubt that any gue'vesa'la models will be made, even if rules for them do appear in the book. Simply put, there are a tonne of human infantry models already which would fulfil this role; and their battlefield role in the tau army would be dubious considering the existence of kroot and firewarriors.

Why do you figure Hammerheads will be in squadrons? IG get tank squadrons, but they just have tons of stuff to throw at the enemy anyway. There's no real precedent otherwise.

My personal theory/hope for Crisis suits is that they get put 3 to a kit with broadsides, for around $45-$50. I cite Killa Kans as my example, and really the only difference between the two is some wargear options and other details, model-wise. The age of the hybrid kit is ending, and I know GW's going for multi-kits as much as possible these days. Even vehicles are getting multi-kits so I can see it happening here too. Destroyers haven't gotten a new kit as you noted, but Necrons launched with 4 plastic kits, which is a hell of a lot. Tau won't need as much unless they get a ton of new units.

Trasvi wrote:So is there actual information here or just wishlisting?

Do you see anything on the GW advance orders page? Then it's probably wishlisting, lol.

Unless we get a BoW-style leak, like Necrons, and a guy like Yakface telling us all about the codex, then there's probably no actual info. Right now it's just a tentative release date that keeps changing depending on who's posting.

Sidstyler wrote:

Trasvi wrote:So is there actual information here or just wishlisting?

Do you see anything on the GW advance orders page? Then it's probably wishlisting, lol.

Unless we get a BoW-style leak, like Necrons, and a guy like Yakface telling us all about the codex, then there's probably no actual info. Right now it's just a tentative release date that keeps changing depending on who's posting.

Maybe not even then due to GWs super secret releases policy...

Nagashek wrote:Stealth suits are already a threat based on volume of fire alone. Trust me.

But I would kill for a plastic orca. Srsly.

god i want an orca so bad. and if it could carry three squads legally!!! safe carry for suits!

also with their burst cannons stealth suits are only dangerous against horde. I want them to be more...elite i guess. like they're geared towards a task at hand. inwhich case (say their 20 pts, plus 15 for a single plasma rifle which is how much it costs for IG) you have a squad designed to search and destroy. it'd allow crisis suits to specialize more, to take heavier weapons (i posted codex suggestions on another forum, this thing called a plasma caster that's a plasma gatling gun...takes up two slots but it would also help gear up crisis suits). or it would allow them to specialize as tank hunters, taking TL fusion blasters and having the T and the W to take on tanks

Logically they would fill the same role as PDF in IG.. or if you mean on the table top, they might make a decent all rounder infantry, since Tau forces seem to be mostly all melee or all shooty.

...

..and I'll pass on any more Matt Ward codecies. They're an abomination from the warp. I'd really rather not hear about Tau bathing in the blood of battle sisters before skull raping the Emperor and how some Shas'O has butchered every space marine alive but the Ultramarines, who crushed him through the sheer power of awesome.

Fluff-wise they do make sense. But what does adding all-rounder infantry do for Tau's army identity? I suppose i'm just extremely opposed the army "homogenization". If we follow that route we're just going to fall deeper into the MEQ - TEQ - GEQ - XENOS stat-line heresy. GW has been slowly moving away from that, and giving each army very unique playstyles and rulesets and thats what I'm all for.

As far as Matt Ward's codecies are concerned, the fluff is most definitely off, but I've been consistently impressed by the (admittedly OP) rulesets. They're solid, competitive, unique, and relatively balanced when only considering the newer codexes (BA = DE <= Necron <= SW = GK).

dbsamurai wrote:

Nagashek wrote:Stealth suits are already a threat based on volume of fire alone. Trust me.

But I would kill for a plastic orca. Srsly.

god i want an orca so bad. and if it could carry three squads legally!!! safe carry for suits!

also with their burst cannons stealth suits are only dangerous against horde. I want them to be more...elite i guess. like they're geared towards a task at hand. inwhich case (say their 20 pts, plus 15 for a single plasma rifle which is how much it costs for IG) you have a squad designed to search and destroy. it'd allow crisis suits to specialize more, to take heavier weapons (i posted codex suggestions on another forum, this thing called a plasma caster that's a plasma gatling gun...takes up two slots but it would also help gear up crisis suits). or it would allow them to specialize as tank hunters, taking TL fusion blasters and having the T and the W to take on tanks

Cascade fusion blaster? That'd be nice on a stealth suit or even CIB wouldn't be terrible.

I think a Rail Rifle is a perfect match for the Stealth Suits. It's range makes the most of their stealth field and as it's the Tau equivalent to a Sniper Rifle it feels right from a fluff perspective too.

I also think that the Tau Fusion Blaster should be stated closer to a Multi-Melta than a regular Meltagun, you have to be in a Battle Suit to use it after all.

I'm sorry, but just to clarify, is this thread about Tau rumours, or speculation? Not too sure. I went back to the OP and there wasn't much there either.

acekevin8412, welcome to a rumor thread. Anyways, there is a nice feature that you may want to utilize known as the "filter thread" feature.

For example, Kroothawk tends to be this forums most prolific rumor poster (these are rumors that he gathers from other sources like Warseer's Harry, BramGaunt, Ghost 21 and so on). So to filter out his posts, which will likely be more "rumor" dense you can simply find a post by Kroothawk and then hit the "Filter Thread" link posted below his Avatar.

Like this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/405123.page?userfilterid=24567

Almost an entire page of near unadulterated rumors.

The thread started as a rumor thread, started to get a little wishlist-y, and then the was moved to discussion, and then we had more rumor posted, so it was moved back to news/rumors.

Its a well traveled thread.

Sekminara wrote:

Logically they would fill the same role as PDF in IG.. or if you mean on the table top, they might make a decent all rounder infantry, since Tau forces seem to be mostly all melee or all shooty.

...

..and I'll pass on any more Matt Ward codecies. They're an abomination from the warp. I'd really rather not hear about Tau bathing in the blood of battle sisters before skull raping the Emperor and how some Shas'O has butchered every space marine alive but the Ultramarines, who crushed him through the sheer power of awesome.

Fluff-wise they do make sense. But what does adding all-rounder infantry do for Tau's army identity? I suppose i'm just extremely opposed the army "homogenization". If we follow that route we're just going to fall deeper into the MEQ - TEQ - GEQ - XENOS stat-line heresy. GW has been slowly moving away from that, and giving each army very unique playstyles and rulesets and thats what I'm all for.

As far as Matt Ward's codecies are concerned, the fluff is most definitely off, but I've been consistently impressed by the (admittedly OP) rulesets. They're solid, competitive, unique, and relatively balanced when only considering the newer codexes (BA = DE <= Necron <= SW = GK).

Hmm...

I'm not sure where you are going with 'identity' here. The Tau have always felt, to me, like a cross between MEQ and Eldar. The occasional melee specialist backed by lots of shooty firepower, but tough enough not to fold easily if one unit is killed (so long as you are not fielding any ethereals, which I avoided.)

Sort of an inverse orks.

So having gue'vesa auxiliaries back in would not be a terribly identity crushing experience, but would give Tau players a little more flexibility.

The only problem I have with adding gue'vesa auxiliaries is that I always considered them to be a PDF, not part of the main army...maybe add some rules to kicks, but not actually add modles to the list

If the gue'vesa are incorporated into the list, I can virtually guarantee you they won't be in the form we know them to be in now. Their current incarnation, a squad of firewarriors with gakky weapons, is useless and nobody would take it.

My guess (hope) is that if they do make it into the list, they can be fielded in platoon style formations instead.

wyomingfox wrote:acekevin8412, welcome to a rumor thread. Anyways, there is a nice feature that you may want to utilize known as the "filter thread" feature.

For example, Kroothawk tends to be this forums most prolific rumor poster (these are rumors that he gathers from other sources like Warseer's Harry, BramGaunt, Ghost 21 and so on). So to filter out his posts, which will likely be more "rumor" dense you can simply find a post by Kroothawk and then hit the "Filter Thread" link posted below his Avatar.

Like this: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/405123.page?userfilterid=24567

Almost an entire page of near unadulterated rumors.

Thanks for the tip. I'm still learning the ins and outs of all the features.

Here what I'm expecting based on recent codexes and the average tau wish list/rumor

Firewarrior squad 60 pts
1 shasui
5 shasla
Gear:
Carbines
Photon grenades
Options:
Switch to rifles free
Take emp grenades 3pts/model
Shasui options
Bonding knife 5 pts
Drone controller 5 pts(why are these free it's just dumb to have free upgrades)
blacksun filter 5 pts(works for whole unit)
Networked markerligt 10 pts

Pathfinders are the same but units of 4 for 50 pts
Pathfinders should be able to take rifle/marker gun instead of carbine.
Rail rifles are 5 pts
devilfish no longer required
Small scout class transport as dedicated option

Hammerhead 150 pts
Has all the current bells and whisles

(fancy dancy prefix) hammerhead 165 pts
Has a more powerful large blast gun(like a plasma cannon type thing)

Broadside 60 pts
Units of 1-3
No team leader all have upgrade options(imagine kans)

I fear the skyray won't get the boost it needs because though it sucks its model sells well as it is also a hammerhead

I was under the impression that drone controllers were free because you had to take a drone with it (which cost points), so it isn't free so much as it is pay later. Personally "Pay Xpts for this, then pick Y drone for an extra Zpts" is sillyer that just "take this, then pay Xpts for Y drone". The only reason I think a separate might be needed/useful is an incremental cost for multiple drone controllers. Something like 1st = 0pts, 2nd = 5pts, 3rd = 10pts... pretty much balancing the cost of potentually adding more default wounds to a model/unit. Still, it would be fun (and expensive) to run a HQ with just a swarm of drones around it. [/tangent]

I expect 5 Pt controllers and cheaper drones but drones are purchased in bulk and given to units with controllers