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Hmm, the rules seem a bit complicated. And there looks to be a ton of record keeping. Though I guess they are pre-beta at this point.

I like the AI deck = life for the monsters. But having special rules for every spot you wound on the monster/survivor - it seems like the game (and every release for it) is just going to have to come with a ton of cards. I'm not sure that's a smart design ...

Schmapdi wrote:


I like the AI deck = life for the monsters. But having special rules for every spot you wound on the monster/survivor - it seems like the game (and every release for it) is just going to have to come with a ton of cards. I'm not sure that's a smart design ...

It does sound a bit fiddly. But than again, the game will only ever be fighting one monster most of the time the way I hear it.

Gotta keep that exciting, different and unique as much as possible. It can handle as much complexity as other skirmish games with many more miniatures.

I can't wait to watch the video once home...

Schmapdi wrote:
Hmm, the rules seem a bit complicated. And there looks to be a ton of record keeping. Though I guess they are pre-beta at this point.

I like the AI deck = life for the monsters. But having special rules for every spot you wound on the monster/survivor - it seems like the game (and every release for it) is just going to have to come with a ton of cards. I'm not sure that's a smart design ...

You have to remember this isn't so much a miniatures game as a board game with miniatures. The amount of cards and things the game will make use of only seems like a lot if you're used to your game components being just a few dice and a ruler. For a high end board game (which is what this is) that amount of cards and record keeping is pretty standard.

Also, I wouldn't say it's complicated so much as complex... and honestly I wouldn't even say that. From what we've seen it looks like the combat system is pretty streamlined, with the monster being entirely automated. This makes the game a lot simpler and a lot faster (if it's anything like other games where the threat is automated) than having a player control the monster . If anything, I'd say the designer has done a remarkable job of keeping what could have been a complicated game rather simple (based on what we've seen, anyway).

 RiTides wrote:
I can't wait to watch the video once home...

Just remember to turn down your speakers right at the end.
The music where they show the pic of the spider guy is really loud. I was listening on headphones and had to jerk them away from my ears.

Having the AI cards used for hit points seems a little strange. So possibly at some point the monster will attack, and immediately drop dead from exhaustion. And they are like kill-bots with a pre-set kill limit. So if you had enough people, they could just stand around, and the monster would attack them until it died from exertion. But maybe in practice it works out fine and isn't noticeable, but I don't see that it adds much, except having one less thing to keep track of. Unless the deck gets re-shuffled when it runs out normally through actions, and wounds are removed permanently and don't get re-shuffled in.

The combat doesn't seem all that interesting from that video, since there didn't appear to be many decisions for the player to make. They mostly just draw cards, roll dice, and follow instructions. But I imagine that the interesting part of the game is really the character and settlement building, so I look forward to videos about those aspects of the game.

While it's not stated explicitly, I got the impression that the cards not removed as "wounds" get cycled back through. So if you were really unlucky and removed all the "move" cards then the monster would just start attacking constantly. Could be wrong though.

It also appears that the players have to make decisions about the meta game that influence their choices in the game. The survivors shown ha the basic gear and so were unexciting, much like many RPGs have you start out on near-menial tasks. As they move on and get various gear they can customize their kit and by extension their role. Perhaps swords are more powerful, but in using your "loot cards" to make a sword your armor is not as good now. This would make how you play alongside a player with strong armor more dynamic, and the monster AI adds some depth here. Do you have your best armored characters sit in front and hope you don't get the revenge attack card?

The different difficulty decks are also an interesting way to fight the same monster type and have the fight be very different. There's a lot of randomness in the game, and I think that's the goal. Chance can be generous or it can be cruel but you never know which until you make that jump. That seems very much the central idea of KD.

From the way Adam speaks the AI cards will be returned to the deck (unless removed as damage) so no chance of the monsters dying of exhaustion

What's not clear is if they are

1. all shuffled together again after each monster action
2. 'used' cards are kept untill all cards are 'used' then reshuffled
3. 'used cards are placed at the bottom of the deck

I can see advantages and disadvantages to each

I'd imagine your strategy will improve when you have cards for some of the other weapons like spears/whips (maybe ranged?), who attacks from where and when will matter.

Maybe a heavily armoured survivor can play 'bait' in front of the monster while the rest flank it etc, especially on the much larger board in the game

Finally watched the video, it looked great

 RiTides wrote:
Finally watched the video, it looked great

Same. I was aghast when that spider fisherman thing popped up. Kinda loud.

Yeah, that ending bit was a little unexpected.
Oddly, though, I find that I'm more interested in the other aspects of the game (the research/construction stuff) than the combat.

*sits down and excitedly watches gameplay video*

Well this looks fun. I like that he adds his own sound effects. Always a plus.

"Thanks for watching and-GRBRLGHESHLKSDJ:FLKJ! *falls out of chair*

...goddamnit Poots trolled me.

Also, the new Dragon's Sacrifice pinup looks fantastic, and the ???? stretch looks like it'll be the heads of the 4 default survivors made into modular pieces. Also, Nemesis looks like he'll be a fun addition.

Gah, if the only way I can get their miniatures is to buy the game--I guess I'm in.



Go to bed!

 Fafnir wrote:
Also, the new Dragon's Sacrifice pinup looks fantastic, and the ???? stretch looks like it'll be the heads of the 4 default survivors made into modular pieces. Also, Nemesis looks like he'll be a fun addition.

Agreed. The new Pin-Up looks ace and the expansion stretch goal could be another must. Just take what's left of my money and send me a Box-O-Wonder in about a year's time

Spider-Monster looks like a variation of the Angler fish a-la the torso-like visage hangining off it's central mass.

Another survivor? Nope. Chuck Testa (Spider style)

That video was excellent, cheers Adam for showing us that! Now hurry up and get on with getting it to us!

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
That video was excellent, cheers Adam for showing us that! Now hurry up and get on with getting it to us!

Spoiler:

Did anyone else find what happened to Zachary funny or am I just weird and suitably matched for this game?

But again, maybe you just have a dark sense of humor like I do. The Dragon Sacrifice is another gorgeous model, I wish it looked a little more like the dragon armor set, but I'm still probably buying it. I'm guessing since 500k stretch goal was announced as a monster expansion, and now 475k has turned out to be an expansion, I'm guessing this one is more along the lines of the flower knight whereas 500k will be more along the lines of dragon king, I'm excited.

Adam, sorry if this has been asked, but do you plan for the expansions to ship alongside the game or at a later point?

 The Fragile Breath wrote:

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:
That video was excellent, cheers Adam for showing us that! Now hurry up and get on with getting it to us!

Spoiler:

Did anyone else find what happened to Zachary funny or am I just weird and suitably matched for this game?

Spoiler:

Oh, I thought it was hilarious. "I'm going to stab this lion in the ass! OH GOD, MY FACE!"

But again, maybe you just have a dark sense of humor like I do. The Dragon Sacrifice is another gorgeous model, I wish it looked a little more like the dragon armor set, but I'm still probably buying it. I'm guessing since 500k stretch goal was announced as a monster expansion, and now 475k has turned out to be an expansion, I'm guessing this one is more along the lines of the flower knight whereas 500k will be more along the lines of dragon king, I'm excited.

Adam, sorry if this has been asked, but do you plan for the expansions to ship alongside the game or at a later point?

Yup pretty dark sense of humour here

I'm not a huge fan of the sacrifice pin-up (Although I'm not a huge fan of the pin-ups in general. I tend to much prefer the other items.) The I'm-Not-Nude bikini seems out of place on someone that's about to get sacrificed though... I would think it would look more natural nude (and I understand wanting to avoid nudes in the Kickstarter) or with some sort of light robe underneath the heavier outer robe.

The spider looks amazing, but....how the devil are you going to transport that thing?

Oh, and since it hasn't made it's way into the thread yet (I think) it looks like the 475k goal is a re-release of the Man-Hunter miniature:

http://shop.kingdomdeath.com/product/man-hunter-miniature

Where are you guys seeing the picture for the Dragon Sacrifice? The Kickstarter is still showing it locked and greyed out.

 Chemical Cutthroat wrote:
Where are you guys seeing the picture for the Dragon Sacrifice? The Kickstarter is still showing it locked and greyed out.

In the updates of the KS

Or in the spoiler below for the lazy

Finally got a chance to watch the gameplay video and I have to say I am even MORE excited for this game now than before!

Of course, it is going to be a year or so until we get a chance to play it!

Can't wait to see what other models and expansions we get a chance to unlock too.

Also, is this the King?

Yeah I really like the gameplay from what I've seen so far. I mean, initially it seems basic due to the example being with bare-boned survivors, but when you have more gear you'll be able to do different things. There are also supposed to be 'classes' from what I recall, so hopefully we'll be able to see more of that.

I'm thinking that may be 'The King" or whatever. Which is interesting and maybe disappointing? I mean it's a crazy model and it looks awesome. But the dragon looks crazier in the end-boss sort of manner.

Actually, they say in the first video that you "win" by defeating the Watcher.

Right?

I think it is awesome that the Manhunter will be released as a possible monster. It's one of the great miniatures that really hooked me to this game. I already own two, but can't get enough of that one.

I think he's a monster nemesis / anti-monster?

 RiTides wrote:
I think he's a monster nemesis / anti-monster?

But he's a Man-Hunter, not a Monster-Hunter? No?

 RiTides wrote:
I think he's a monster nemesis / anti-monster?

Actually i'd guess that he is a nemesis to the players.
If i remember correctly from the few cards visible earlier, especially the 'lantern passing' where a survivor leaves the settlement you roll a d10 each time it happens and on a certain result a nemesis event happens.