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I'd be more inclined to believe the rumour if it pegged the box as featuring a chapter that doesn't already have its own range. Unless they make the box ludicrously expensive(and hence defeat the object of it(and I mean ludicrously expensive by GW standards)), or make it limited edition(just as daft), eBay will end up flooded with cheap snap-fit Blood Angels - who's going to fork over £20 for five Death Company when you can pick them up for £5 Buy It Now, maybe cheaper if you get it at auction.

so will Dark Vengeance go OOP?

Even if there is no new FAQ added, the amount of current corrections deserves an updated book. That is not saying that I feel the current state of the rules is OK right now, I'm not.
For example, Monstrous creatures should get cover rules aligned to those of vehicles (à la 5th edition) and not aligned on infantry. That would not stop the current MC craziness, but it will help a bit.
So no proper 7th edition, but an update : V6.1 or more ? We will have to scrutinize the "minor tweaks" in this version, to see if there is a real willingness to correct some of the bugs in V6 ruleset. But I'm not optimistic.


They have seen that putting rules for aegis and existing fortifications in the V6 BRB certainly boosted their sales a lot.
Now, there are additional fortifications thanks to "Stronghold Assault" supplement, but you have to buy the supplement to play with them. And many gaming circles don't put many credit to something felt as optional, sometimes "too big" and so on.
So, to help sell those new fortifications kits, they update the BRB in order to insert their rules in it. Plain & simple, right ?
We may see adapted rules for the orkish barricades, why not ?

I sincerely, sincerely doubt they'll be doing a new starter box so soon. I can sort of buy the idea that GW's putting out a 6.5 edition with lots of fixes, but the idea of them scrapping Dark Vengeance, a set that cost them a lot to make (seriously, the guys tooling the sprues for that kit deserve a medal) is preposterous so soon after releasing it.. That set would barely be 2 years old at the time this supposed new set replaced it, which makes no sense whatsoever. Tooling plastic molds is really expensive.

Forget the rumour, look at the source. Larry Vela, at time of writing, has a worse than 50/50 hit rate, and his accuracy has been getting increasingly worse (Nids were not good for his track record.)

This is likely no more than a logical extrapolation of existing rumour, rather than any sort of inside info.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I sincerely, sincerely doubt they'll be doing a new starter box so soon. I can sort of buy the idea that GW's putting out a 6.5 edition with lots of fixes, but the idea of them scrapping Dark Vengeance, a set that cost them a lot to make (seriously, the guys tooling the sprues for that kit deserve a medal) is preposterous so soon after releasing it.. That set would barely be 2 years old at the time this supposed new set replaced it, which makes no sense whatsoever. Tooling plastic molds is really expensive.

Aye but, Space Hulk. I don't believe the rumour myself, but the obvious irrationality of making detailed, popular plastic kits and then just putting the expensive moulds in a drawer somewhere after a short time hasn't stopped GW from doing it before.

So Orks staying in fortifications rather than running forward to insert choppa inside skull ? Strange.
Also, marines in the starter box is not a good thing. Expected, usual, and totally credible as a rumor, but not a good thing still !

 pretre wrote:
SM are the best selling army. Why wouldn't they include them in the starter?

I have always wanted a Space Marines versus Space Marines starter set.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I have always wanted a Space Marines versus Space Marines starter set.

You mean Dark Vengeance ?
[edit]Dark Vengeance is space marines against spiky space marines with cannon-fodder. Do you just want the same without the spikes and cannon-fodder ?[/edit]

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Well, saying that thread has chilled out last weeks is an understatement, however latest discussions were about which armies were going to fit in the next starter box, and here are some fresh news.
From Bell of Lost souls, Larry Vela :

Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary : Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70

Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- 'Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."

Given this last statement of yours (which I have highlighted ) don't you think you should update the title of the thread?

I.e. "Revised rulebook and new starter set for 40k in summer"... rather than "7th edition".

Larry's rumor is separate from the other rumors, RI.

 RiTides wrote:

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Well, saying that thread has chilled out last weeks is an understatement, however latest discussions were about which armies were going to fit in the next starter box, and here are some fresh news.
From Bell of Lost souls, Larry Vela :
* snip * (...)

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."

Given this last statement of yours (which I have highlighted ) don't you think you should update the title of the thread?

I.e. "Revised rulebook and new starter set for 40k in summer"... rather than "7th edition".

No everything below my introduction was Larry Vela's input. I realise I should put some quote mark.
It may not be seen as 7th edition from a certain point of view, but on the other hand, it has all the characteristics we have witnessed as of a new edition :
new starter box, new rulebook, updated rules. I mean update from 3th to 4th was not huge, but it was a new edition.

Anyway, GW does not clearly puts edition number anymore in evidence (apart from FAQ titles).
There was a " IV " mark distinguishable on the skull in front of V4 BRB cover.
This is not the case anymore on current BRB.

Rhode Island?

 Alpharius wrote:
Rhode Island?

RITides.

Yes, I've had folks ask me if I am from there before . Didn't occur to me not living in the new england area, but if someone had "MD" in their name I might wonder if they were from Maryland

Thanks for the explanation on the rumor, guys, although it is sounding more and more like simply a rerelease with a tweak rather than a new edition... hopefully GW does not bill it as the latter to try to require everyone to update their rulebooks

An "organic living ruleset" is something I could get behind. A steady changing game updated gradually with minor tweaks and such to invigorate the game at regular intervals. I love 6th edition, but I think everyone has a bunch of things they'd like to see changed. Minor rules tweaks would be great for the life of the game. The rumoured nerf to Interceptor, for instance, is needed.

We will see, but they should at least make available a mini-rulebook like the hardback one, cheaper @ 30 £ / 38 € on release, not months after.
This, and the softback mini BRB are much better products to carry around, than the 1.7 kg paving stone we have been offered 2 summers ago !


(edit for imperial unit users : 3.75 pounds, yes that's the insane V6 BRB weight).

 Ravajaxe wrote:
Well, saying that thread has chilled out last weeks is an understatement, however latest discussions were about which armies were going to fit in the next starter box, and here are some fresh news.
From Bell of Lost souls, Larry Vela :

____________________________

Launch Window - @September
Rules Summary : Updated Mini-rulebook contains FAQs, minor tweaks and clarifications, and much of Stronghold Assault rolled into a new shiny package.
Miniatures included: @70

Armies:
Blood Angels (plastic quick assembly)
- Assault Marine Squad
- Tactical Marine Squad
- Death Company Squad
- Captain (kitted out for assault)
- Chaplain
- Sanguinary Priest (limited edition, similar to the Dark Vengeance mini was)

Orks (plastic quick assembly)
- 'Ardboys (full mob)
- Nobs (small squad)
- Warboss
- Big Mek
- Ork themed fortification

This was described as simply an updated Warhammer 40,000 Starter Set and specifically "NOT 7th Edition."
____________________________________________________________________________________


Now there is some new flow in the rumormill.

Why hello there!

My friend has been slowly falling out of 40k, but if new orks came out, might be enough to keep him around.

Plus, I do love me some BA.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I sincerely, sincerely doubt they'll be doing a new starter box so soon. I can sort of buy the idea that GW's putting out a 6.5 edition with lots of fixes, but the idea of them scrapping Dark Vengeance, a set that cost them a lot to make (seriously, the guys tooling the sprues for that kit deserve a medal) is preposterous so soon after releasing it.. That set would barely be 2 years old at the time this supposed new set replaced it, which makes no sense whatsoever. Tooling plastic molds is really expensive.

I don't think the injection mold tooling for a new starter set would really be anymore work than the combined tooling for a new codex/army book release, and they're putting those out basically every month now. I could see GW thinking a new starter set would be a good way to kick-start sales, especially if it covers 2 armies that are updated around the same time.

IMO, the oddest thing about this rumour isn't the new box, it's the choice of Blood Angels. It's pretty likely that Orks will get a new codex by this summer, and I'd much sooner expect to see a starter set in Sept containing Space Wolves, followed by their release a month or two later.

Even with the fortification I find it hard to believe that the 'elite' army gets three squads and three characters while the 'horde' army gets two squads and two characters, unless we are talking three 5-man squads versus a full-size 'ard boyz mob and meganobz.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I have always wanted a Space Marines versus Space Marines starter set.

Well, I hear the Space Wolves and Dark Angels don't exactly get along... make it happen, GW.

tgjensen wrote:
Even with the fortification I find it hard to believe that the 'elite' army gets three squads and three characters while the 'horde' army gets two squads and two characters, unless we are talking three 5-man squads versus a full-size 'ard boyz mob and meganobz.

Ten tac marines and five assault and death company marines wouldn't be too far fetched though, seeing as that gives the BA roughly 23 models (including the priest) against roughly 37 models on the ork side.

40K Radio said the release would just be the rulebook and could be out before the summer. Given that their accuracy is more than twice as good as Larry Vela's, I know who I believe.

Please don't be true, please don't be true. I do NOT want to shill out $100 just for a Sanguinary Priest and some BA, but if the model looks good enough...

Dammit GW!

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I wonder if factions besides SPEHSS MEHREENS will be used in the next starter (even if this will be e6.1, there has to be a 7th eventually)

IIRC, Space Marines of some sort have been in each pack since at least 4th, well before I even started 40k or LotR, but what about something like just xenos vs. xenos? Daemons? Guard? Sisters??

Or are starters some sort of pro-SM propaganda?

Yes. Some sort of SM propaganda.

They have been in all of the boxes since the 2d edition boxed set. Each of the major chapters has had a chance at bat, some better earners then others.

Back in the RT era days, Space marines had the "Battle of the Farm" at the back of the book with the orks. You were as well, able to pick up a starter box of around 20-30 marines and a boss, or use the chits in the book to start with, and/ or the boxed ork set, and go at it. Back in the base set of a sheet like necromunda, where each guy was pretty much a unit of his own. ( Boxed set was pretty extensive back in the day. One box had like 20-30 marines, pluse all of the fixes. The orks had a metal set with the base warboss, Thrugg Bullneck and his Raiders.)

Thrugg was a Pain in the !@#, by the way.

I'm all Ork all the time, so more boyz is good boyz, say I. trimmed a bit of the fat, so its about time to add in a few more, if the price is right.


We might have to wait for the "Big Sale" to see anything of substance, though. They are not really doing much in the way of "New" for the game, and are just plodding along.



Pretty bad if you think about it. Heck even a revamp of the old school "Battle of the Farm" would have been something to "WOW the Masses" with.

Between the transformer Chaos stuff, and the over detailed Dark Angels and the excessive gak in between, the game has lost its audience.

Really? You want Battle of the Farm back. Yeck.

With a new starter set, BA vs. Orks, can be expect a new BA and Ork codex this year?

 wuestenfux wrote:
With a new starter set, BA vs. Orks, can be expect a new BA and Ork codex this year?

If Vela wasn't full of gak? Probably. As it is...

I don't care about blood angels, and won't start a blood angels army. I won't start an Ork army because my brother plays them...

The only reason I'd buy this (guessed at) start set is for the mini rulebook...

 pretre wrote:
Really? You want Battle of the Farm back. Yeck.

Sort of. I'd like to see a revamp, and something along the lines of the campaign from the 6th edition game. They almost got it right, but then started going off the deep end with the excess.
For What it's worth, RT was a lark of a book. The stuff in there was overly detailed to the point of RPG realms.

I'm not going to say that doing that would be the best idea, but it sure as heck would be better then what is going on now.

A small scale pick up game, with a couple of figures, and some scenerios that add on as you move forward, such as with 4-5th.

6th was OTT-"Give me your firstborn children!!" realm of shockingly bad selections for introductory armies. New players? You want to give a new player chaos, and ... DARK ANGELS.

This was supposed to be an "Introduction", so a base couple squad on squad was acceptable. It is just when little timmy has to go back down to the shops and sell a gak load of his organs for the clank to buy a couple of additional models.... They pretty much shoot themselves in the face.

The old school base "Battle of the Farm" was supposed to be a mini "Rourkes Drift" thing. It wasn't that bad, considering it was new at the time.

Do something like that today with 5 marines, and a10 man squads of cultists, and crank them out for 20 bucks a pop. Instant hit.

Then you could crank out the same sorts of 20 bucks a pop sets with some IG and Nids. 10 man squad and a LT Vs 10 gaunts, and a warrior. Tau, 10 vs 10 Necrons.

Make a couple of different sets with the pretty battle pic on the fornt, ala the BL books.

make them cheap, sell alot.