40K RPG WRATH & GLORY

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**Galas**

BrookM wrote:
From the latest newsletter:

First of all, I want to say I’m very pleased about the overwhelmingly positive reactions from our fans to the character archetype artwork. It is a real tribute to the artist, Alberto Bontempi, who is doing great deeds illustrating the archetypes in Wrath & Glory. This time around, I’m going to talk a little bit about character generation in Wrath & Glory.

One key thing to know from the start: Wrath & Glory does not lock your character into a pre-determined path. Each archetype, such as Imperial Commissar, has its own distinct flavor and special ability to set it apart from the others. Once you’ve chosen your species (such as human, ork, eldar, and so forth), and selected your archetype, Wrath & Glory’s character generation is very free-form, letting you build the character you want.

Characters in Wrath & Glory are composed of several factors. We’ve already mentioned species and archetype, and in addition, characters have a series of attributes and skills to determine their particular focus in the game. Your character’s background informs where they came from or where they are going in the game’s narrative. The hero may have a few, rare Talents that give them some extra options and abilities. Plus, each archetype provides some of your character’s equipment—gear that you may also customize if you wish.

Character generation also provides your hero with Keywords. These represent your character’s alliances, allegiances, and contacts. Many times, these are appropriate for your chosen species and archetype, but there are definitely ways to gain additional keywords or to replace one of your existing keywords with another of your choosing. Keywords are important, because they help inform you and the Game Master as to what connections your character has to the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Having the right keyword can mean the difference if you are trying to acquire a rare item, seeking information amongst certain factions, or trying to curry favor with a species not your own.

-Ross Watson, Product Line Manager

If I change the <Regiment> keyword from my Imperial Guard veteran character to <High Lord of Terra>, will I be able to control the imperium under the orders of Guilliman?

**odinsgrandson**

Kroem wrote:
I think the comic art style is cool in its own way, but I love the old black and white styles that used to be all over the codices.

Maybe Fabius Bile can grow a Wayne England clone to provide artwork for the new RPG book?

I think that Wayne is my favorite of the old GW artists, but I don't think it belongs in RPG iconic characters.

Wayne's work is rife with mood, but the actual details are unrealistic to the point where it doesn't really help a player to imagine a PC. For example, I'm not totally sure whether this character is a mutant, or if the exagerated proportions are just a stylistic thing.

Personally, I'm really happy to see 40k universe artwork in different styles.

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Galas wrote:

If I change the <Regiment> keyword from my Imperial Guard veteran character to <High Lord of Terra>, will I be able to control the imperium under the orders of Guilliman?

It is an RPG. Do you want to play a group of high lords? Well, if your GM is ok with is, then that can be the concept for your campaign.

**Iron_Captain**

Galas wrote:
BrookM wrote:
From the latest newsletter:

First of all, I want to say I’m very pleased about the overwhelmingly positive reactions from our fans to the character archetype artwork. It is a real tribute to the artist, Alberto Bontempi, who is doing great deeds illustrating the archetypes in Wrath & Glory. This time around, I’m going to talk a little bit about character generation in Wrath & Glory.

One key thing to know from the start: Wrath & Glory does not lock your character into a pre-determined path. Each archetype, such as Imperial Commissar, has its own distinct flavor and special ability to set it apart from the others. Once you’ve chosen your species (such as human, ork, eldar, and so forth), and selected your archetype, Wrath & Glory’s character generation is very free-form, letting you build the character you want.

Characters in Wrath & Glory are composed of several factors. We’ve already mentioned species and archetype, and in addition, characters have a series of attributes and skills to determine their particular focus in the game. Your character’s background informs where they came from or where they are going in the game’s narrative. The hero may have a few, rare Talents that give them some extra options and abilities. Plus, each archetype provides some of your character’s equipment—gear that you may also customize if you wish.

Character generation also provides your hero with Keywords. These represent your character’s alliances, allegiances, and contacts. Many times, these are appropriate for your chosen species and archetype, but there are definitely ways to gain additional keywords or to replace one of your existing keywords with another of your choosing. Keywords are important, because they help inform you and the Game Master as to what connections your character has to the Warhammer 40,000 universe. Having the right keyword can mean the difference if you are trying to acquire a rare item, seeking information amongst certain factions, or trying to curry favor with a species not your own.

-Ross Watson, Product Line Manager

If I change the <Regiment> keyword from my Imperial Guard veteran character to <High Lord of Terra>, will I be able to control the imperium under the orders of Guilliman?

Such low ambitions... Why not change your keyword to <God-Emperor of Man> instead?

**Galas**

odinsgrandson wrote:

Galas wrote:

If I change the <Regiment> keyword from my Imperial Guard veteran character to <High Lord of Terra>, will I be able to control the imperium under the orders of Guilliman?

It is an RPG. Do you want to play a group of high lords? Well, if your GM is ok with is, then that can be the concept for your campaign.

I know, I know, I was making a joke about the problem in the first weeks of 8th where people arguee that you could change the <Regiment> keyword and the <Chapter> keyword to the same thing and use them together (Like calling a Imperial Guard regiment <Ultramarines> )

**BrookM**

Dooooooooooooon't drag it off-topic with that inane bs please.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

So with the different power levels of play with in the game, I wonder if at a suitably high level game if I could play a Custodian Guard.

Also looking forward to the possibility of playing as a Knight Pilot, I think that could be a fun sort of campaign.

**BrookM**

Custodes could be a level 4 character, while Imperial Knights level 5, or maybe even beyond.

Knights are something I am hoping for, they could make for a fun diversion from the regular campaign by letting the players stomp around for a bit in something a few power levels over their current predicament, or to act as their own Deus Ex Machina should the situation call for it.

**EnTyme**

I'm still skeptical of this power level system. I'll wait until I see the actual rules before making a judgement, but I foresee a lot of arguments between players and GMs because one guy refuses to play if he can't be a Space Wolf even though this was clearly billed as a Guardsman campaign.

**Galas**

EnTyme wrote:
I'm still skeptical of this power level system. I'll wait until I see the actual rules before making a judgement, but I foresee a lot of arguments between players and GMs because one guy refuses to play if he can't be a Space Wolf even though this was clearly billed as a Guardsman campaign.

Whats the difference between a Tier system and a level sistem? What you said is the same as someone that wants to play with his prestige class character with lvl 17 in D&D even when the campaing is for levels 1-5.

And I believe Custodes, if they are playable, will be Tier 5. Remember, tiers aren't just based in combat power. A Commisar is Tier 3 if I remember correctly. They are based too in political power. And Custodes are very high in that regard.

**Mr Morden**

VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
So with the different power levels of play with in the game, I wonder if at a suitably high level game if I could play a Custodian Guard.

Also looking forward to the possibility of playing as a Knight Pilot, I think that could be a fun sort of campaign.

To me both of those characters are mid level - but I enjoy games at all sorts of leves - have run games where its a bunch of guardsman just trying to sruvive during an invasion to games where the players were involved in the poltical machinations and eventual fate of an entire sub sector.

**EnTyme**

There's quite a bit of difference. Look at how each FFG system played. Dark Heresy featured relatively normal humans with some political power in a world filled with psychotic fungal ape-men, BDSM slavers, and literal freaking daemons. It played like an investigation game wherein your character could die at any minute from a single botched die roll. Rogue Trader was an exploration game with a little piracy thrown in wherein your characters were pretty much politically independent of the Imperium. Deathwatch was an action game where you were so powerful, they literally had to implement a horde system to account for you mowing down dozens of enemies per attack. I never played Black Crusade or Only War, so I can't really comment on how they played.

A better D&D analogy would be saying "We're starting at level 3. Please choose your class/race from those in the Player's Handbook" and one guys saying "but I wanted to start as an Adamantine Arrow from Mage".

**Bobthehero**

Only War was also more action-y, at least in our game, our characters could do some pretty insane feats, and survive things noone should.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

BrookM wrote:Custodes could be a level 4 character, while Imperial Knights level 5, or maybe even beyond.

Knights are something I am hoping for, they could make for a fun diversion from the regular campaign by letting the players stomp around for a bit in something a few power levels over their current predicament, or to act as their own Deus Ex Machina should the situation call for it.

Those places make sense, at least if the Knight is as high up the Titan Foodchain as we're allowed to go. But yeah as the occasional diversion, would probably be best, a side story about Knights your party encounter or frequently see in a War Zone.

Mr Morden wrote:
VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
So with the different power levels of play with in the game, I wonder if at a suitably high level game if I could play a Custodian Guard.

Also looking forward to the possibility of playing as a Knight Pilot, I think that could be a fun sort of campaign.

To me both of those characters are mid level - but I enjoy games at all sorts of leves - have run games where its a bunch of guardsman just trying to sruvive during an invasion to games where the players were involved in the poltical machinations and eventual fate of an entire sub sector.

It depends on what else they have in the mid area of the game. It is good to get all levels of play in at some point, each has something fun the can offer. Oh could combine them all too, trying to survive for a few sessions, then swapping over to the guys directing the fate of the sub sector. Thats one thing I've always liked about the 40k RPGs, is how easily you could interconnect them.

**warboss**

odinsgrandson wrote:
warboss wrote:
Why final? No marine previews? That's a surprising change from GW's usual schtick.

Have they said that they'll be doing separate books for various races, or is that just speculation?

If they're doing separate ones, I can see how they'd want to do a marine book second instead of first (at least for my group, we probably wouldn't get into a game where women aren't allowed to be PCs).

Personally, I think I'm looking forward to an Ork book. I mean, that'd be really awesome.

They did say they'd publish IIRC tier/race specific books and settings. I took that to mean that they'd come out with the 40k equivalents of the old 3/3.5 D&D elf focused and fighter focused books but have the basic rules for all of them in the core book.

That said.. my comment about no marine pics wasn't meant to say that they'd be doing anything different. I fully expect marine rules in the core game just like I expect normal humans and xenos (all to a basic degree later fleshed out in focused books). I was just surprised that there wasn't a posterchild marine in any of the preview pics.

**Alpharius**

But it is pretty funny that people complain about them not showing up here because they always show up everywhere!

Marines had better be in!!!

**warboss**

If you're referring to me, it wasn't a complaint but rather an observation notable because they show up everywhere usually first and most often.

**BrookM**

It could be that they know their audience and what to best showcase.

**Alpharius**

Nah, they're just saving the best for last!

**ZebioLizard2**

I wonder if they'll get their own unique chapter. FFG had their stormwardens after-all.

**BrookM**

Wouldn't surprise me if they did, plenty of Primaris-only Chapters have been created for the event, I'm sure they'll do one as well as their example.

**Kanluwen**

This piece of art got shared today.

Oh I'm liking that.

**Bobthehero**

Good stuff

**BrookM**

That is indeed a good design, well done.

**mightymconeshot**

Well I like the guardswomen, it still strikes me as off and I don't know why. All the pictures have been nice, but I just don't like them for some reason. Looking forward to seeing how this all plays out book wise.

**warboss**

I like the Creed lives graffiti. Nice art.

**Elbows**

Trigger discipline...makes me not like that picture.

PS: After glancing through the art, it's decidedly "okay". Nothing special, but not particularly dreadful. It's no Mark Gibbons, but I think that kind of art is dead and gone nowdays.

**Ratius**

No short skirt and boobplate on that Cadian?
Pretty crap imho.

**A Town Called Malus**

Ratius wrote:
No short skirt and boobplate on that Cadian?
Pretty crap imho.

I know right? And the previously posted woman commissar was also not wearing a more revealing uniform than her male comrades for no reason other than to show boobs as some method of (somehow) increasing her effectiveness! [/sarcasm]

**EnTyme**

Seriously. How are we even supposed to know those are women? I demand all future female artwork depict corsets, boob plate, and stripper heels!

**Ashiraya**

The art is clearly inaccurate. The head and the gun are supposed to be twice as big.