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Reivers might be usable if the shock grenade had a 9" range to hopefully survive long enough to do something.

That said, there is nothing they bring that another unit doesn't do better or more effective. Need DS assault? Vanguard vets. Need screeners; scouts. Need harassing units; bikes. List goes on.

 buddha wrote:
Reivers might be usable if the shock grenade had a 9" range to hopefully survive long enough to do something.

That said, there is nothing they bring that another unit doesn't do better or more effective. Need DS assault? Vanguard vets. Need screeners; scouts. Need harassing units; bikes. List goes on.

But how much do or would they cost. to do it that better or more effectivly.

 buddha wrote:
Reivers might be usable if the shock grenade had a 9" range to hopefully survive long enough to do something.

That said, there is nothing they bring that another unit doesn't do better or more effective. Need DS assault? Vanguard vets. Need screeners; scouts. Need harassing units; bikes. List goes on.

If they could take auxiliary grenade launchers on their pistols that'd be bloody fantastic.

Even with 9” range the shock grenades would be out of range on the turn they deep strike as you have to be more than 9” away.

bobafett012 wrote:
Another Warlord trait spoiled on WH community site.



Hand flamers down to 1 point, inferno pistol down to 9 points, Angelus boltgun down to 3 points.

Furioso's to 80 and libby dread to 130.

How the F are the Hand Flamers down to 1pt when they just published CA and Sisters Hand Flamers are still 3pts?

 Mr Morden wrote:

bobafett012 wrote:
Another Warlord trait spoiled on WH community site.



Hand flamers down to 1 point, inferno pistol down to 9 points, Angelus boltgun down to 3 points.

Furioso's to 80 and libby dread to 130.

How the F are the Hand Flamers down to 1pt when they just published CA and Sisters Hand Flamers are still 3pts?

Don't know, I thought the same thing when I heard him say that. So far, the wargear has generally been costed the same across the board, but short of him misspeaking, the BA would get them for 1pt and SoB for 3 points. they really should only be 1 point though. storm bolter's are 2 points and far better imo, so 1 feels ok. Even at 1 point, i don't know that I would use them anyways, they aren't great against most armies...

At least at 1 point you can throw them in a list and not feel too bad about it.

They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

 AveImperator wrote:
They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

It actually doesn't make that little sense.
What would you tell the larger imperium (sheeple) if sanguinius wasn't actually dead, but rather injured beyond recovery?
Far easier to exploit his noble sacrifice than to explain he's a vegetable.

But thats assuming a lot, and we shouldn't. He could very well be dead in stasis, and thats where they farm his blood or something.

Put the pitchforks down ya?

Did they mention any unit point reductions? Either way, the reductions to the pistols are great and needed

Neronoxx wrote:

 AveImperator wrote:
They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

It actually doesn't make that little sense.
What would you tell the larger imperium (sheeple) if sanguinius wasn't actually dead, but rather injured beyond recovery?
Far easier to exploit his noble sacrifice than to explain he's a vegetable.

But thats assuming a lot, and we shouldn't. He could very well be dead in stasis, and thats where they farm his blood or something.

Put the pitchforks down ya?

But thats exactly what happened to girlyman no?

 Desubot wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 AveImperator wrote:
They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

It actually doesn't make that little sense.
What would you tell the larger imperium (sheeple) if sanguinius wasn't actually dead, but rather injured beyond recovery?
Far easier to exploit his noble sacrifice than to explain he's a vegetable.

But thats assuming a lot, and we shouldn't. He could very well be dead in stasis, and thats where they farm his blood or something.

Put the pitchforks down ya?

But thats exactly what happened to girlyman no?

Yeah it’d sort of defeat the purpose of his death, especially when there are plenty of other Primarchs left to bring back who aren’t dead in the fluff... that said, I’d still buy him haha

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Did they mention any unit point reductions? Either way, the reductions to the pistols are great and needed

I know that the dreadnoughts and sanguinary guard went down. Dante stayed the same as the index.

Few new things:

1) There's a 2cp stratagem that lets a jump unit that deep striked to charge on 3d6 instead of 2d6. It isn't 3d6-lowest.
2) One relic is a thunder hammer without the -1 to hit. Another is a jump pack that denies overwatch and rerolls charge distances
3) The 6th spell gives the librarian +d3 attacks and +d3 charge and advance distances. Other two are the wings spell and a 12" beam and does a mortal wound to everything underneath on a 5
+.
4) The 4 unknown warlord traits are a 6" heroic intervention, one that lets you always fight with charges ala emperor's children, a 6" immune to bravery bubble and the last lets the warlord to to deny the witch once a turn.

So, being the inpatient dude that I am, I was checking the pre-orders out on the New Zealand site and saw this pic as one of the preview pages for the new codex. I’m almost definitely reading too much into it, but hint at a new model we may get in the future?

Guilliman was stabbed, then rushed into a stasis container damn near minutes after.

Sanguinius was destroyed by a super powered primarch, and had anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of being dead, NOT dying slowly a la guilliman. Not to mention his death being vital to the plot and super important to his own character and HH actions.

Him being in stasis is hand-waving to the 10th degree and lazy as sin. It's almost as stupid as them reviving Ferrus Mannus as if he wasn't decapitaded, or deciding that Curze's death was all a hoax and that Big E is alive and not bound to the throne, he was just taking a vacation.

Emissary wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Did they mention any unit point reductions? Either way, the reductions to the pistols are great and needed

I know that the dreadnoughts and sanguinary guard went down. Dante stayed the same as the index.

Few new things:

1) There's a 2cp stratagem that lets a jump unit that deep striked to charge on 3d6 instead of 2d6. It isn't 3d6-lowest.
2) One relic is a thunder hammer without the -1 to hit. Another is a jump pack that denies overwatch and rerolls charge distances
3) The 6th spell gives the librarian +d3 attacks and +d3 charge and advance distances. Other two are the wings spell and a 12" beam and does a mortal wound to everything underneath on a 5
+.
4) The 4 unknown warlord traits are a 6" heroic intervention, one that lets you always fight with charges ala emperor's children, a 6" immune to bravery bubble and the last lets the warlord to to deny the witch once a turn.

Im 100% using a Librarian dreadnaught with that +d3 spell. The laser is pretty terribly underwhelming but there’s always some crappy ones. I’m also somewhat disapointed with warlord traits too. I’ll probably just go with the +1 dmg one. Relics seem alright though

 Desubot wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 AveImperator wrote:
They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

It actually doesn't make that little sense.
What would you tell the larger imperium (sheeple) if sanguinius wasn't actually dead, but rather injured beyond recovery?
Far easier to exploit his noble sacrifice than to explain he's a vegetable.

But thats assuming a lot, and we shouldn't. He could very well be dead in stasis, and thats where they farm his blood or something.

Put the pitchforks down ya?

But thats exactly what happened to girlyman no?

No, even as far back as the 2nd ed Ultramarine Codex (yes, they had one back then) there was a paragraph describing how his neck wound was healing even in statis.
So, they were intending on bringing back Gulliman even back then.

Sanguinius on the other hand is dead as dead can be. Brining him back would make all this like comic books, where everyone can die and come back because nothing has any weight to it.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Emissary wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Did they mention any unit point reductions? Either way, the reductions to the pistols are great and needed

I know that the dreadnoughts and sanguinary guard went down. Dante stayed the same as the index.

Few new things:

1) There's a 2cp stratagem that lets a jump unit that deep striked to charge on 3d6 instead of 2d6. It isn't 3d6-lowest.
2) One relic is a thunder hammer without the -1 to hit. Another is a jump pack that denies overwatch and rerolls charge distances
3) The 6th spell gives the librarian +d3 attacks and +d3 charge and advance distances. Other two are the wings spell and a 12" beam and does a mortal wound to everything underneath on a 5
+.
4) The 4 unknown warlord traits are a 6" heroic intervention, one that lets you always fight with charges ala emperor's children, a 6" immune to bravery bubble and the last lets the warlord to to deny the witch once a turn.

Im 100% using a Librarian dreadnaught with that +d3 spell. The laser is pretty terribly underwhelming but there’s always some crappy ones. I’m also somewhat disapointed with warlord traits too. I’ll probably just go with the +1 dmg one. Relics seem alright though

A jump pack librarian with a force axe and the relic jump pack will be really good on backfield devastators or basilisks. Deep strikes in, gives himself d3 attacks and +3" charge, then charges in. You can't overwatch and he only needs a 6 on a 2d6 rerolling if he fails. Plus if he gets there he will have +d3 (or more) attacks. If you are counting on a screen of conscripts or push his landing site away by denying the 9" for deep strike, he can also give himself the wings to immediately fly 12" right over your screen, then have that charge with the +3". Will really have to have those screens right next to what they're screening.

 Tiberius501 wrote:

Emissary wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:
Did they mention any unit point reductions? Either way, the reductions to the pistols are great and needed

I know that the dreadnoughts and sanguinary guard went down. Dante stayed the same as the index.

Few new things:

1) There's a 2cp stratagem that lets a jump unit that deep striked to charge on 3d6 instead of 2d6. It isn't 3d6-lowest.
2) One relic is a thunder hammer without the -1 to hit. Another is a jump pack that denies overwatch and rerolls charge distances
3) The 6th spell gives the librarian +d3 attacks and +d3 charge and advance distances. Other two are the wings spell and a 12" beam and does a mortal wound to everything underneath on a 5
+.
4) The 4 unknown warlord traits are a 6" heroic intervention, one that lets you always fight with charges ala emperor's children, a 6" immune to bravery bubble and the last lets the warlord to to deny the witch once a turn.

Im 100% using a Librarian dreadnaught with that +d3 spell. The laser is pretty terribly underwhelming but there’s always some crappy ones. I’m also somewhat disapointed with warlord traits too. I’ll probably just go with the +1 dmg one. Relics seem alright though

I liked in the Signals from the Frontline video from earlier today where they figured that a Captain with the Black Rage and a thunderhammer can destroy a baneblade on his own with only a minor amount of luck.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Guilliman was stabbed, then rushed into a stasis container damn near minutes after.

Sanguinius was destroyed by a super powered primarch, and had anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of being dead, NOT dying slowly a la guilliman. Not to mention his death being vital to the plot and super important to his own character and HH actions.

Him being in stasis is hand-waving to the 10th degree and lazy as sin. It's almost as stupid as them reviving Ferrus Mannus as if he wasn't decapitaded, or deciding that Curze's death was all a hoax and that Big E is alive and not bound to the throne, he was just taking a vacation.

Hasn't it already been mentioned by Black Library that what we think we know about the Siege of Terra isn't actually how it went down? I mean sure the old, "He died for us" spiel would be better to keep that way, but its not unlikely that they change that.

BA with Sanguinus dead: WTF GW where’s our primarch model every other Chapter gets one

BA with Sanguinis alive: WTF GW you can’t just change the lore like that

You can’t have your primarch cake and eat it too - pick one.

 AveImperator wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 AveImperator wrote:
They stated that in the video that:
"Sanguinus is in statis/bad shape state."

If they retcon Sanguinius back into being alive, then that is the biggest load of garbage GW would have pulled off in my gaming life, and this is coming from a guy who started playing 40k back in 2nd ed.

It actually doesn't make that little sense.
What would you tell the larger imperium (sheeple) if sanguinius wasn't actually dead, but rather injured beyond recovery?
Far easier to exploit his noble sacrifice than to explain he's a vegetable.

But thats assuming a lot, and we shouldn't. He could very well be dead in stasis, and thats where they farm his blood or something.

Put the pitchforks down ya?

But thats exactly what happened to girlyman no?

No, even as far back as the 2nd ed Ultramarine Codex (yes, they had one back then) there was a paragraph describing how his neck wound was healing even in statis.
So, they were intending on bringing back Gulliman even back then.

Sanguinius on the other hand is dead as dead can be. Brining him back would make all this like comic books, where everyone can die and come back because nothing has any weight to it.

I recall him effectivly being at deaths door not because of the wound it self but ze poison.

anyway yeah sanguinius was dead as a door nail but it is space magic. and unlike horus his soul wasnt destroyed. i would of preferred him getting a new body. otherwise Ba players are about to get a true zombie primarch.

fe40k wrote:
BA with Sanguinus dead: WTF GW where’s our primarch model every other Chapter gets one

BA with Sanguinis alive: WTF GW you can’t just change the lore like that

You can’t have your primarch cake and eat it too - pick one.

they cant win because the community isnt some monolithic hive mind with the same opinions on things. different people want different things.

get ready for disappointment one way or another.

 Desubot wrote:
i would of preferred him getting a new body.

A dreadnought primarch would be cool. Don't think actual Blood Angels players would want that though to be honest, even among those who'd want their primarch to return.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
i would of preferred him getting a new body.

A dreadnought primarch would be cool. Don't think actual Blood Angels players would want that though to be honest, even among those who'd want their primarch to return.

I was thinking more primarus/daemon/saint possession type thing. like the most powerful black rage you can imagine.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Guilliman was stabbed, then rushed into a stasis container damn near minutes after.

Sanguinius was destroyed by a super powered primarch, and had anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of being dead, NOT dying slowly a la guilliman. Not to mention his death being vital to the plot and super important to his own character and HH actions.

Him being in stasis is hand-waving to the 10th degree and lazy as sin. It's almost as stupid as them reviving Ferrus Mannus as if he wasn't decapitaded, or deciding that Curze's death was all a hoax and that Big E is alive and not bound to the throne, he was just taking a vacation.

Hmm... hasn't always been, the corpse of Sanguinus, in stasis under Baal? Is from where they extract the sanguinus blood they use to infuse the BA initiates, no?

 Galas wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Guilliman was stabbed, then rushed into a stasis container damn near minutes after.

Sanguinius was destroyed by a super powered primarch, and had anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour of being dead, NOT dying slowly a la guilliman. Not to mention his death being vital to the plot and super important to his own character and HH actions.

Him being in stasis is hand-waving to the 10th degree and lazy as sin. It's almost as stupid as them reviving Ferrus Mannus as if he wasn't decapitaded, or deciding that Curze's death was all a hoax and that Big E is alive and not bound to the throne, he was just taking a vacation.

Hmm... hasn't always been, the corpse of Sanguinus, in stasis under Baal? Is from where they extract the sanguinus blood they use to infuse the BA initiates, no?

Yes. As a mostly exsanguinated corpse. But gw has seemed to change it to "almost dead but not lol. Just like our spiritual leige." Him being dead is to plot relivent both in 30 and 40k, but now they will explain away his visions, fate, black rage, and a few other major plot points for the sake of stroking cawls ego and making a quick buck.

Sanguinus will revive, just like all other primarchs. For me, thats granted. How him will do it, I don't know.

But it can't be worse than being resurrected by a xenos witch of a new-born God of Death.

I would not worry too much. I listened to that interview live and he straight up said Sanguinius was dead just before the stasis comment. I am quite sure that as others have said he was referring to the corpse being in stasis.

Chikout wrote:
I would not worry too much. I listened to that interview live and he straight up said Sanguinius was dead just before the stasis comment. I am quite sure that as others have said he was referring to the corpse being in stasis.

It actually answers the question of what they did with his body

Apparently there's no entry for a Sanguinary Priest with Jump Pack in the Codex. GW's insistence on only having rules for models they actually produce is really infuriating at the best of times but this is just ridiculous.

Yes, I know you can use the Index rules but it's still deeply annoying.