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Can a furioso librarian take rulebook psychic powers?

Also can a furioso librarian fire his weapon and use a psychic shooting attack?

Why or why not?

The FAQ tells you who can and can not exchange their powers for BRB powers. Check there.

heres the deal that is causing the confusion,

"A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston) may use the
psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook,
instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate
two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or
Telekinesis disciplines (in any combination) before armies are
deployed"

Codex upgrade =

"Upgrade to a furioso librarian.."

Seems like it should right? I just want some reinforcing

Furioso Librarian =/= Blood Angles Librarian.

It is the same thing with people who argued that Dark Eldar = Eldar.

its not?!? How so?

Defined noun - BA Librarian is not the same as Furioso Librarian, same as Heavy Flamer is not the same as a Flamer

two can play at that game, a Librarian in the Blood angels codex doesn't call itself a "blood angels librarian" Calls it a librarian.


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Also isn't it common sense to go off the fact that the statement that "a blood angels librarian can choose from the codex/rulebook for powers yada yada.." To assume all librarians in the blood angels codex to be blood angel librarians, at least until its faqd?

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Defined noun - BA Librarian is not the same as Furioso Librarian, same as Heavy Flamer is not the same as a Flamer

If that is the case the Furioso Librarian's Hoods cancels all Powers on a LD roll off as the Furioso's hood was never changed. Also if you upgrade a Librarian to and Eps then he can no longer take Book powers as he is no longer a BA Librarian.

Another change this implies. The HQ Chaplin (Actually called a Recursuionarys sp) allows any unit he is attached to to reroll hits if they charge. The Errata only changes Chaplains, and not Recursionarys.

The Furiso is a Librarian.

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Defined noun - BA Librarian is not the same as Furioso Librarian, same as Heavy Flamer is not the same as a Flamer

Wrong, a heavy flamer is a flamer, just an upgraded version. Same way an epistolary is a librarian just an upgraded version. A furioso librarian is a librarian in dreadnought armour, your argument would lead me to believe a terminator librarian isn't a librarian.

I think Nos' comment has some validity, though I would say he misphrased it, and it makes more sense pointing out that a Heavy Flamer is not a Heavy weapon.

That said, in the case of the Furioso, I do suspect that it is meant to be considered a "Blood Angels Librarian". Jbunny brought up some good points.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I think Nos' comment has some validity, though I would say he misphrased it, and it makes more sense pointing out that a Heavy Flamer is not a Heavy weapon.

That said, in the case of the Furioso, I do suspect that it is meant to be considered a "Blood Angels Librarian". Jbunny brought up some good points.

True a heavy flamer isn't a heavy weapon, but by that phrase it shows you don't set the tone for a unit by the first word.

Rythem wrote:True a heavy flamer isn't a heavy weapon, but by that phrase it shows you don't set the tone for a unit by the first word

Nor the last word necessarily, or else a Necron Eldritch Lance would have the Lance special rule.

The entry for Librarian in the Blood Angels book has a special rule called "Psyker". In that special rule, the model is called a Blood Angels Librarian.

The dreadnought also has a special rule called "Psyker", but in the dreadnought listing, it is spelled out as Furioso Librarian.


So, if you look at the two units Psyker rule, the BA book does define them in terms that match the FAQ on who can take new powers. Obviously, the dreadnoughts are so ancient that they were entombed before the new powers came out.
No BRB powers for dreadnoughts. Why would you want them? I'll take the jump pack and shield all day long.

-Matt

HawaiiMatt wrote:
The entry for Librarian in the Blood Angels book has a special rule called "Psyker". In that special rule, the model is called a Blood Angels Librarian.

The dreadnought also has a special rule called "Psyker", but in the dreadnought listing, it is spelled out as Furioso Librarian.


So, if you look at the two units Psyker rule, the BA book does define them in terms that match the FAQ on who can take new powers. Obviously, the dreadnoughts are so ancient that they were entombed before the new powers came out.
No BRB powers for dreadnoughts. Why would you want them? I'll take the jump pack and shield all day long.

-Matt

So by your own words the furioso librarian is a psyker same as a reg librarian according to the BA faq and codex. Saying they are too ancient to know the new powers is just fluff and has no basis here. It doesn't matter if the new powers are good or bad for them, that's not being discussed, what matters is whether they can take them or not.

Rythem wrote:


So by your own words the furioso librarian is a psyker same as a reg librarian according to the BA faq and codex. Saying they are too ancient to know the new powers is just fluff and has no basis here. It doesn't matter if the new powers are good or bad for them, that's not being discussed, what matters is whether they can take them or not.

The bit about them being too old is meant as humor.
It's not my own words, it's the words printed in the codex.
Page 46 Calls Librarians (the HQ choice) Blood Angel Librarian.
Page 47 Calls Mephesto, Mephesto.
Page 29 Calls the Dreadnought a Furioso Librarian.

All three of these are under a section titled "psyker". That section is telling you that they are a psyker and how many powers they get and can use. They don't have the same rule.

The dreadnought's rule for it's psychic hood just says see page 46.
The FAQ says ignore page 46 and use the rule in the BRB. So, the dreadnought has a current psychic hood, not the old style one.

Quoting the faq:

"A Blood Angels Librarian (including Mephiston) may use the psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or Telekinesis disciplines (in any combination) before armies are deployed."

It just seems blanket as referring to any blood angels librarian, does it not?

also :
pg. 29 blood angels codex

"Some extremely rare Furioso Dreadnaughts are even guided by a crippled and ancient body of a Blood Angels Librarian." (referring to a furioso librarian) That sells it for me. Also some of the powers from the rulebook have existed long before 6th edition. What do you think now?

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Rythem wrote:


So by your own words the furioso librarian is a psyker same as a reg librarian according to the BA faq and codex. Saying they are too ancient to know the new powers is just fluff and has no basis here. It doesn't matter if the new powers are good or bad for them, that's not being discussed, what matters is whether they can take them or not.

The bit about them being too old is meant as humor.
It's not my own words, it's the words printed in the codex.
Page 46 Calls Librarians (the HQ choice) Blood Angel Librarian.
Page 47 Calls Mephesto, Mephesto.
Page 29 Calls the Dreadnought a Furioso Librarian.

All three of these are under a section titled "psyker". That section is telling you that they are a psyker and how many powers they get and can use. They don't have the same rule.

The dreadnought's rule for it's psychic hood just says see page 46.
The FAQ says ignore page 46 and use the rule in the BRB. So, the dreadnought has a current psychic hood, not the old style one.

Lol ahh sometimes hard to tell jokes/sarcasm in a forum. I agree that they have the new psychic hood, what I was trying to get at was that the furioso librarian was still a librarian for power selection, whether it be from the old powers or the new ones.