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This is one of the things that makes history interesting to me. The way the particulars in an event come away from it with different takes.

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They were lucky. They didn't tangle with New Orleans. Else Canad would be New Louis now.

Recommended:

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Well, I don't know how else it could be viewed. America tried to blindside the British who were busy with the French and failed to conquer Canada. Today, it is remembered here as when we fought off an invading army.

Well...since maple syrup is now considered strategic.....we're thinking round two. The Syrup must flow.....

 CuddlySquig wrote:
Well, I don't know how else it could be viewed. America tried to blindside the British who were busy with the French and failed to conquer Canada. Today, it is remembered here as when we fought off an invading army.

The British were kidnapping US citizens. If we had Captain America dare I say, it would have been a different situation!

 CuddlySquig wrote:
Well, I don't know how else it could be viewed. America tried to blindside the British who were busy with the French and failed to conquer Canada. Today, it is remembered here as when we fought off an invading army.

That is exactly what happened.

We had General Issac Brock and the motherfething Iroquois. They had incompetent commanders and militia reinforcements that would generally refuse to fight on foreign soil.

Wasn't fair fight really.

This is a piece of history we talk about where I used to live in Northern Maine about a war with New Brunswick:

http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/106-the-bloodless-aroostook-war-and-maines-northern-border

I grew up being taught the only human to die did so due to sickness. When my family used to drive through the Hainseville woods, I would look for the man's monument.


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It was interesting to think about when we would go visit my uncle in New Brunswick.

Baltimore has a bunch of things going on, because apparently something important happened there.

I really want to love Baltimore, but I can't.

Only time I like to hear about Baltimore is when the Ravens lose

I use to live across the Bay

However you wanna look at it, the simple fact remains that the only two invading forces to successfully attack the Whitehouse were Canada and the aliens in Independence Day. :p

 hungryp wrote:
However you wanna look at it, the simple fact remains that the only two invading forces to successfully attack the Whitehouse were Canada and the aliens in Independence Day. :p

I wouldn't call it Canada more like the British Empire.

I've heard it said that in many ways the War of 1812 had to happen and yielded many good things.
Things like solidifying both Canadian National Identity as well as that of the United States (Second War of Independence).
A more adult relationship between the 3 countries involved afterwards in the "Era of Good Feelings", and now our nations have gone to war many times as allies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-26WSZgk8wI&list=PL9FA1490AD78B9040&index=2&feature=plpp_video

What no one posted one of the best Canadian songs ever made?

Well alright then enjoy everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVC677-YmfM&feature=related

Yeah, I was wondering hwo long until some posted that song or the Battle of New Orleans song.

This anniversary has been a huge event for those two songs.

 Easy E wrote:
Yeah, I was wondering hwo long until some posted that song or the Battle of New Orleans song.

This anniversary has been a huge event for those two songs.

Here we go. A little ditty noting why you don't tick off the Frazzled clan:

Relapse wrote:This is one of the things that makes history interesting to me. The way the particulars in an event come away from it with different takes.

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That war basically established Canada's national identity, it's not hard to get why its important to them. Plus you know, when you have as many military victories as Canada you count your blessings and shout their praises.

hungryp wrote:However you wanna look at it, the simple fact remains that the only two invading forces to successfully attack the Whitehouse were Canada and the aliens in Independence Day. :p

Yeah...except not Canada. We played this game before.

the last time we rode this merry go round wrote:Generally when someone says "the last time x messed with y" they don't claim the deed of z. Or in this case generally one claims the deeds of thier own countrymen. Canada being short on such examples I can see why you so eagerly latch onto the coattails of British success. It's kind of like saying yhe last time Scotland messed with the US the Bonnie Prince Charlie was defeated and Scottish lords lost their right to hereditary jurisdiction.

I edited some of the snark out...and whats left isn't directed at you its just not worth a rewrite.

Didn't the American National Anthem come out of the War of 1812?

Also, I would say that the Americans had something of their derrieres handed to them on account of failing to secure any of their initial goals of the war, with the possible exception of killing some Englishmen out of jealousy.

And to pre-empt it the thought that the Americans came out on top at the end of the war due to their several naval victories is utter tripe, and was put forward by Teddy Roosevelt to asuage the butthurt they felt over being defeated by the British.

Yes I'm being inflammatory but gosh darnit there ain't much else we've gotten your goat on so we have to trumpet this one wherever and whenever we can.

No hard feelings are felt however, I have ancestors on both sides of the war.

 Ratbarf wrote:
Didn't the American National Anthem come out of the War of 1812?

Also, I would say that the Americans had something of their derrieres handed to them on account of failing to secure any of their initial goals of the war, with the possible exception of killing some Englishmen out of jealousy.

And to pre-empt it the thought that the Americans came out on top at the end of the war due to their several naval victories is utter tripe, and was put forward by Teddy Roosevelt to asuage the butthurt they felt over being defeated by the British.

Yes I'm being inflammatory but gosh darnit there ain't much else we've gotten your goat on so we have to trumpet this one wherever and whenever we can.

No hard feelings are felt however, I have ancestors on both sides of the war.

Those naval victories were trumpeted at the time they happened and didn't have anything to do with Teddy. America at the turn of the 19th century was a poor backwater that attacked a globe spanning empire. Really, we're lucky we maintained out independence. If we came out on top it's because we were able to chart our own course post war, and it has nothing to do with the war or Canada.

 AustonT wrote:

Those naval victories were trumpeted at the time they happened and didn't have anything to do with Teddy. America at the turn of the 19th century was a poor backwater that attacked a globe spanning empire. Really, we're lucky we maintained our independence. If we came out on top it's because we were able to chart our own course post war, and it has nothing to do with the war or Canada.

I don't think you can ever say its only a few things really.. there's always loads of gak goes on that helps pitch in to make history, history.

You could say as well, the lacking in support for what was essentially a civil war, or the fact that Britain was at war with loads of other people. Surely the single biggest reason for maintaining independence was the Napoleonic wars considering they started in 1803? If Britain wasn't busy scrapping the not actually so little-little feller, then for sure they could have spared the man power to go mash the colonies if they so wished. I know history further back than the last 100 years is always relatively hazy with figures, but they must have lost something crazy like a half a million redcoats in all those years of scrapping surely?

 mattyrm wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

Those naval victories were trumpeted at the time they happened and didn't have anything to do with Teddy. America at the turn of the 19th century was a poor backwater that attacked a globe spanning empire. Really, we're lucky we maintained our independence. If we came out on top it's because we were able to chart our own course post war, and it has nothing to do with the war or Canada.

I don't think you can ever say its only a few things really.. there's always loads of gak goes on that helps pitch in to make history, history.

You could say as well, the lacking in support for what was essentially a civil war, or the fact that Britain was at war with loads of other people. Surely the single biggest reason for maintaining independence was the Napoleonic wars considering they started in 1803? If Britain wasn't busy scrapping the not actually so little-little feller, then for sure they could have spared the man power to go mash the colonies if they so wished. I know history further back than the last 100 years is always relatively hazy with figures, but they must have lost something crazy like a half a million redcoats in all those years of scrapping surely?

The Napoleonic wars are absolutely the reason America isn't a commonwealth nation, and to a limited extent the 4th Anglo-Mysore and 2nd Anglo-Maratha war. The Kingdom had spent too much money at war to bother re conquering the country that started the mess that lead to Napoleon in the first place. I seem to recall some MPs referred to America as an albatross that destroyed all others who meddled there.
The figures I'm familiar with give RN deaths at about 92,000 and Army death around 210,000 nothing to sneeze at but interesting to note something like 190,000 redcoats died of disease.
I've seen numbers as low as 12,000 dead in the RN but never under 200,000 for the Army, it could always be higher but those are solid minimums.

There were a lot of specials and documentries about the war on TV. Hopefully, some Canadians learned about their history. I did.

Interestingly, the most polite nation on earth could argue its never lost a war, even including the strange Irish raids/invasions.

Except to Dallas hockey teams of course. Once again, Texas proves its utter dominance of all things ice related.

Frazzled wrote:Interestingly, the most polite nation on earth could argue its never lost a war, even including the strange Irish raids/invasions.

Except to Dallas hockey teams of course. Once again, Texas proves its utter dominance of all things ice related.

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

I laughed so hard

 azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Interestingly, the most polite nation on earth could argue its never lost a war, even including the strange Irish raids/invasions.

Except to Dallas hockey teams of course. Once again, Texas proves its utter dominance of all things ice related.

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

Yea but they all had big cowboy hats and "y'all" at least once an interview, as required in their contracts.


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 Jihadin wrote:

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

I laughed so hard

That does sound like the beginning of an epic joke. "17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan walk into a bar..."

 azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Interestingly, the most polite nation on earth could argue its never lost a war, even including the strange Irish raids/invasions.

Except to Dallas hockey teams of course. Once again, Texas proves its utter dominance of all things ice related.

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

Just shows how welcoming we are to strangers that talk funny!

 kronk wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Interestingly, the most polite nation on earth could argue its never lost a war, even including the strange Irish raids/invasions.

Except to Dallas hockey teams of course. Once again, Texas proves its utter dominance of all things ice related.

Would that be the the team consisting of 17 Canadians, a Czech, a Fin, a Russian and 5 Americans from Michigan?

Just shows how welcoming we are to strangers that talk funny!

Remember we don't have an accent. You have an accent.

Texas Hockey team going to have an accent regardless....something to do with missing teeth