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ok im a necron player and was contemplating trying out an alliance. Due to there new codex chaos seemed a nice choice.

the whole i wanted to plug was the problems necs have in the assault phase so i started concidering combos

How bout this, huron gives d3 units infiltrate, khorne berserkers should be nice for abit of turn one assault gdness, give the champion in that unit a dimension key which activates once he kills sum1, deep sstriking units land perfectly within 12" of the key ......... ello warp talons landind and blindin everyone within 6 of the scatter free deep strike.

Add a squad of wraiths coming down the other flank with a dlord and see what happens!!

There's a few problems here:

- You can't assault turn 1 if you go first and infiltrate.
- Unit champions can't take artefacts.
- You are making the assumption that not having assault elements is a weakness. It's not, as 6th is a shooty game, which Crons do just fine.
- Talons land, Blind some units, and then get annihilated.

so what your sayin is that theres a fault in my plan ...... hmmm yes i believe your right lol yeh

shame tho i thought talons were very gdness :-(

Anyway, if you want assault, Wraiths are better than Khorne Berserkers, and don't involve the ally tax.

just playing about with a possible ally list. Thinking about maybe sum sort of psychic shock group or nurgle reading guard.

Any thoughts??

Don't need it. Crons don't need anything really. People forget the tax on taking allies, which generally means if you don't need them it is a bad idea to take them. The only allies I think can be justified for Crons are Space Wolves to give them anti-psychic abilities. And even then, Crons are getting on just fine without that too.

What "tax" on allies?

Having to take a HQ and a troops choice. Unless of course the troop and HQ is what you're looking for, then its not a tax at all.

ok, I knew that and understand when it'd be considered a "tax".

Yup and the suggested allies above have a huge tax, given that Berserkers and Talons are Elite and Fast respectively, meaning there is still the HQ and Troops to go (remember Khorne Lords only make Berserkers Troops when part of a primary detachment).

How about this , play on a sort of monsterous army .

necrons would use dlord with wraiths, warriors in a nightscythe, acouple c'tan shards

Chaos side, khorne lord on a juggernaught, maulerfiends, daemon prince and hellbrutes. o and of course khorne lord would take berserkers as there troop choice.

Not sure how well a list like this would work but it would look nasty!!

I was gonna do a lord of nurgle in a huge block of cultisits helldrake with baleflamer. Nice fearless bubble wrap for my troops as well as a scoring unit that also has a good combat monster in it.

crayz_d wrote:
How about this , play on a sort of monsterous army .

necrons would use dlord with wraiths, warriors in a nightscythe, acouple c'tan shards

Chaos side, khorne lord on a juggernaught, maulerfiends, daemon prince and hellbrutes. o and of course khorne lord would take berserkers as there troop choice.

Not sure how well a list like this would work but it would look nasty!!

Aside from the fact that this army would be terrible (no synergy whatsoever but you seem hell bent on making a bad army, no offense), but it is also illegal. Go re-read my last post and then take a look at the Chaos Lord entry in the Chaos Codex.

Then again, you could just look at the allies rules instead, as even without the Berserker Troop issue this is illegal. If the above Necrons are the primary detachment then you have too many HQs, too many Elites, no Troops, and too many Heavies in the secondary, and if the Chaos is Primary, you have too many Elites in the secondary.

I really don't mean to offend you, but it might be worth learning the rules properly before pursuing this any further.

These are only concept ideas, ideas to be built upon in a friendly chat forum. No offense to anyone reading this but chatting about ideas is what i thought this site was for. Illegal list or not before i sit around for hours on end writing up a list its just nice to get sum friendly advice.

Its surprising how often people forget thats what we're here for...

Thinking of something similar mysef. Just reading angel exterminatus and perturabo has a robot bodyguard, so im looking at using crons as a fluffy allied force. Useful? No idea, I dont have their codex, though im looking at praetorians and that bodyguard ic they have as a minimim.

Ill be on armybuilder later for ideas, will feed back my considerations then!

crayz_d wrote:
These are only concept ideas, ideas to be built upon in a friendly chat forum. No offense to anyone reading this but chatting about ideas is what i thought this site was for. Illegal list or not before i sit around for hours on end writing up a list its just nice to get sum friendly advice.

What are you after here? If you are after making a competitive list, then everything he has said is spot on, allies are pretty much a waste on Necrons.

If you are making a friendly list, then what does it matter? Bring what you want and have fun. Generally, the rule of thumb here is that people will try to help make the most tactically sound, and competitive choices. If you're not after that, then you should specify that.

Chaos Havoks and Obliterators look like obvious good units for Necron Chaos alliance, but I just want to rn Typhus and Plague Zombies because I love Zombies and they are great Horde unit to sit on an objective.

I've been running a Cron/Chaos list with good results. At 2k it looks like this.

DLord with upgrades
3 x 6 tesla immortals
2 units of wraiths
3 x Ann Barges

Typhus
60 zombies
Heldrake
Forgefiend

Lots of shooting with barges and fiend at higher str. The zombies form a fearless meat shield for the immortals to sit behind and take shots at light infantry. Wraiths usually stay back until the wall has advanced enough that they can pounce. Typhus generally annoys with his Nurgle spells and then can really lay some hurt in the right type of CC.

Did this 1750 list earlier in December, had a good run -

HQ: Lord ; MoSlaanesh, Bike, Burning Brand
HQ: Lord; MoKhorne, Juggernaut, Aura, Gift, Axe of Blind Fury, VotLW

TR: 10 Noise Marines - 5 Sonic Blasters, 1 Blastmaster
TR: 10 Noise Marines - 5 Sonic Blasters, 1 Blastmaster
TR: 15 Cultists (Characters started here , Bike Lord could feasibly go to either NM unit)

HVY: 1 Oblit - MoNurgle
HVY: 1 Oblit - MoNurgle
HVY: 1 Oblit - MoNurgle

Crons -

HQ: Overlord - (nothing)
Royal Court: 2x Stormteks (with Warriors)

TR: 5 Warriors in Night Scythe
TR: 5 Warriors in Night Scythe

FST: 4 Scarabs

HVY: 3 Spyders - Prism

Basically mini-scarab farm, Flyer allies for anti-flyer/transport/heavy vehicle. Oblits versatile, Noise Marines for hordes, JuggerLord for beating stuffs up. Bike Lord acting as a mini-heldrake

Perhaps something like this:

Lord on a Barge with a warscythe

2 groups of 5 warriors and a stormtek in nightscythes
several groups of tesla immortals
1 group of wraiths
3 annihilation barges

1 chaos sorcerer
2 or 3 groups of cultists
1 group of chaos spawn
obliterators and/or helldrake with a flamer

The immortals and cultists would give you a nice balance between resilient troops and cheap blobs
A cheap sorcerer hq for some pys powers
spawn to run alongside wraiths
2 suicide units to deal with av14
Decent amount of firepower and anti air ability

I haven't done an actual list let, but you should be able to get something close to that at 2000 points. Seems like it would work just fine

I think the Scythebarge is actually pretty bad these days due to being able to choose who to fight vs (Rider or Barge) So would rather keep him cheap and maybe getting something like MoNurgle/Whips for that "template idea" Also I doubt the Psy Powers are that useful seeing as the Sorcerer is probably LVL 1 and near to bare bones.

Of course, you could tell everyone else where you got this idea is from so we know it's automatically "good" for its source (italics = sarcasm)

Man, I love claiming ideas that aren't my own as my own, don't you all?